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Web development is fun again

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Re: Web development is fun again

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Post by 9rx »

polyamid23 wrote: post #618
9rx wrote: post #562

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It's different in some ways (such is evolution), but is not a distinction that matters. Kind of like the difference between imperative and declarative programming. Different language models, but all the same at the end of the day.

I hope you are joking.

The only other difference mentioned is in implementation, but concepts are not defined by implementation. Obviously you could build a C compiler with neural nets. That wouldn't somehow magically turn everything into something completely different just because someone used a 'novel' approach inside of the black box.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Post by ragequittah »

mbirth wrote: post #415
chung8123 wrote: post #320

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For me it all the build stuff and scaffolding I have to get in place before I can even start tinkering on a project. I never formally learned all the systems and tools and AI makes all of that 10x easier. When I hit something I cannot figure out instead of googling for 1/2 hour it is 10 minutes in AI.

The difference is that after you’ve googled it for ½ hour, you’ve learned something. If you ask an LLM to do it for you, you’re none the wiser.

Usually The thing you've learned after googling for half an hour is mostly that google isn't very useful for search anymore.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Post by phplovesong »

tomhow wrote: post #617
phplovesong wrote: post #76

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Please stop posting these abusive comments or we'll ban the account. Thoughtful critique is fine. Fulmination and flamebait is not. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46489151 and marked it off topic.

Wat? That is an classic quote from a very known clip about mongodb, thats probably a decade+ old. If you dont know it, thats on you.

Thats programmer inside jokes, and seriously, the amount of slop posted here should be moderated, not some random comment about a 15 year old joke.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Post by naught0 »

apitman wrote: post #306
freedomben wrote: post #160

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It's just fun in a different way now. I've long had dozens of ideas for things I wanted to build, and never enough time to really even build one of them. Over the last few months, I've been able to crank out several of these projects to satisfactory results. The code is not a beautiful work of art like I would prefer it to be, and the fun part is no longer the actual code and working in the code base like it used to…

I use LLMs for code at work, but I've been a bit hesitant to dive in for side projects because I'm worried about the cost. Is it necessary to pay $200/mo to actually ship things or will $20/mo do it? Obviously I could just try it myself and see how far I get bit I'm curious to hear from someone a bit further down the path.

You can use Gemini for free. Or enable the API and pay a few bucks for variable usage every month. Could be cents if you don't use it much like me

Re: Web development is fun again

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Post by brazukadev »

johnfn wrote: post #596
llmslave2 wrote: post #498

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You can use esbuild to build your entire project with a single command. Node has a built in test runner. You only need the complexity because you're convinced you need it.

You are responding with a point different than the one I was replying to.

they are not.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Post by tomhow »

phplovesong wrote: post #633
tomhow wrote: post #617

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Please stop posting these abusive comments or we'll ban the account. Thoughtful critique is fine. Fulmination and flamebait is not. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46489151 and marked it off topic.

Wat? That is an classic quote from a very known clip about mongodb, thats probably a decade+ old. If you dont know it, thats on you. Thats programmer inside jokes, and seriously, the amount of slop posted here should be moderated, not some random comment about a 15 year old joke.

Other community members are flagging many of your posts and emailing us to complain because you're repeatedly breaking the guidelines. Whether or not I recognize a decade-old meme is irrelevant. The guidelines have been in place for most of HN's history and apply equally to everyone.

Low-quality comments and projects are unwanted on HN whether they're generated by LLMs or humans. If your reaction to seeing bad stuff is to post more bad stuff, you're just making the problem worse. Anyone who is earnest about wanting to reduce low-quality content on HN can do so by flagging bad posts and emailing us (hn@ycombinator.com) so we can investigate further. Several users do that routinely.

HN is only a place where people want to participate because others make an effort to raise the standards rather than dragging them down. Please do your part to make HN better not worse.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Post by inferiorhuman »

oblio wrote: post #624
inferiorhuman wrote: post #616

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The hope that they'll run out of relevant material is slim. If big corps are training their LLMs on their LLM written code…

You're almost there: > If big corps are training their LLMs on their LLM written code >… The last part is important.

Until the humans are required to (or just plain want to) use LLMs to review the code.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Post by duskdozer »

mrkramer wrote: post #595
codr7 wrote: post #573

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Maybe you can tell us the name of the software so we can avoid it?

Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft....they literally all have the vibe coded code; it's not about vibe coded or not, it is about how well the code is designed, efficient and bug free. Ofc pro coders can debug it and fix it better than some amateur coder but still LLMs are so valuable. I let Gemini vibe code little web projects for me and it serves me well. Although you have to explain everything step by step to it a…

Are those supposed to be companies we don't want to avoid?

Re: Web development is fun again

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Post by duskdozer »

duggan wrote: post #147
llmslave2 wrote: post #118

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Surely searching "centre a div" takes less time than prompting and waiting for a response...

Search “centre a div” in Google Wade through ads Skim a treatise on the history of centering content Skim over the “this question is off topic / duplicate” noise if Stack Overflow Find some code on the page Try to map how that code will work in the context of your other layout Realize it’s plain CSS and you’re looking for Tailwind Keep searching Try some stuff until it works Or… Ask LLM. Wait 20-30 seconds. Move on t…

Half the reason search engines are so miserable to use anymore is that they've been laden down with so much low quality LLM-generated content.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Post by duskdozer »

bitwize wrote: post #161
duggan wrote: post #147

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Search “centre a div” in Google Wade through ads Skim a treatise on the history of centering content Skim over the “this question is off topic / duplicate” noise if Stack Overflow Find some code on the page Try to map how that code will work in the context of your other layout Realize it’s plain CSS and you’re looking for Tailwind Keep searching Try some stuff until it works Or… Ask LLM. Wait 20-30 seconds. Move on t…

Wait till the VC tap gets shut off. You: Hey ChatGPT, help me center a div. ChatGPT: Certainly, I'd be glad to help! But first you must drink a verification can to proceed. Or: ChatGPT: I'm sorry, you appear to be asking a development-related question, which your current plan does not support. Would you like me to enable "Dev Mode" for an additional $200/month? Drink a verification can to accept charges.

Definitely. Right now I can access and use them for free without significant annoyance. I'm a canary for enshittification; I'm curious what it's going to look like.
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