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Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by legacynl »

rendaw wrote: post #326

Looking at the analysis, I'm totally surprised opera and psytrance are so prolific. Psy-trance... I thought it was the same as any other electronic genres, but do people get high and just start shoveling psy-trance tracks out or something? Opera I thought was a very strict discipline, needing rigorous somewhat esoteric training in order to produce the right sounds. How could there be so many opera artists? I mean, I'…

I'm assuming you don't know much about music then?

> do people get high and just start shoveling psy-trance tracks out or something?

Like with most art-forms, it's basically impossible to properly appreciate the art-form without having any context.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by legacynl »

gorbachev wrote: post #412
rendaw wrote: post #326

Looking at the analysis, I'm totally surprised opera and psytrance are so prolific. Psy-trance... I thought it was the same as any other electronic genres, but do people get high and just start shoveling psy-trance tracks out or something? Opera I thought was a very strict discipline, needing rigorous somewhat esoteric training in order to produce the right sounds. How could there be so many opera artists? I mean, I'…

My guess is a large portion of the psytrance music is slop, whether AI or some other form of auto-generation.

lol. Where is all this anti-psytrance hate coming from?

Are you people actually that childish that you don't understand the concept of taste, and that everyones' is different? People who have like different music than you aren't stupid. Electronic musicians aren't bad musicians.

You know that nice feeling you get when you listen to music from your preferred composer/artist/genre? Other people feel exactly the same, but with different kinds of music. Some people even love the thing that you hate! wow! Who knew? Except for anybody above the age of 5.

TLDR; just because you dont like Indian food, doesn't make Indian food bad. It's the same for music or other things that are dependent on taste.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by justacrow »

xandrius wrote: post #630
squigz wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going off the blog post, archiving the rest of Spotify (which only represents 0.4% of total listens) would bring the total size up to something like 1PB, and would likely include a huge amount of AI generated stuff, which I don't think is worth it. I'd rather see them focus resources on archiving other stuff.

Sure but "the other stuff" is Lady Gaga and Bunny, which we won't have issue finding a copy of. Sure, there is AI stuff but also not.

You'd hope there is room for a lot of stuff in between as well. I tried searching for some of yhe more unknown artists I follow (and have bought stuff from!) but didn't see any clear way to filter it to Spotify/music metadata only. Restricting to metadata+other cuts it down somewhat but it's still 100s of results for most topics.

Will be interesting to see what's there and not once the actual music torrents come up, should make it easier to search.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by udoyxyz »

yo, this is insane!! why would anyone do that? I think it is for AI music generation models, like training them. Maybe ai labs people did it?? yeah that is likely

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by xorcist »

chrneu wrote: post #219
cj wrote: post #182

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Some quick Googling shows 1 million streams pays approx $2000. You'd need 40,000,000 streams to earn $80,000.

be aware that payout rates change based on tiers and a bunch of other factors. So, it would likely take more than 40 million streams to earn $80k. I believe Weird Al posted his streaming revenue a few years ago. He had something like 80 million streams and said he earned about $12. https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/weird-al-yankovic-wrappe... There is a reason people like T Swift and whatnot tour constantly, it's h…

> people like T Swift and whatnot tour constantly

Maybe not the best comparison to anything. Swift is known for being an even better busiensswoman than artist and obsessed with having control.

She screwed her record company for profits, not the other way around. Not many people have done that. She's likely making money on both ends of the stick.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by lkramer »

cwillu wrote: post #198
cm2012 wrote: post #179

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Spotify paid out ten billion dollars to artists in 2024. This is not small potatoes - total 2024 music industry merchandise sales was around $14b. Youtube also paid out literally 50x more to creators in 2024 than Patreon had total subscriptions on the platform. These big platform payouts matter a lot.

> This is not small potatoes Unless you're a small potato. Approximately 0% of what I pay for spotify goes to the artists I actually listen to. Fucking Taylor Swift and the Beatles estate don't need my money.

And Joe Rogan...

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by Clamchop »

coppsilgold wrote: post #309
firefax wrote: post #195

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>I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. What's stopping someone from sticking a microphone next to their speaker? Slow, but effective.

Even if you plug the audio output into the input you would still be taking a quality loss by passing the audio through a DAC and then an ADC. Maybe if the quality of your hardware is good enough it wouldn't matter, but then you would be limited to only ripping 24 hours of audio per day...

You don't have to pass it through a DAC. There's no equivalent of HDCP for protecting digital audio end to end. Crudely, you could capture S/PDIF but really, skip that and just output to a virtual audio device for recording. No DAC in the path either way.

But yes, it is inconvenient and slow.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by xandrius »

justacrow wrote: post #633
xandrius wrote: post #630

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but "the other stuff" is Lady Gaga and Bunny, which we won't have issue finding a copy of. Sure, there is AI stuff but also not.

You'd hope there is room for a lot of stuff in between as well. I tried searching for some of yhe more unknown artists I follow (and have bought stuff from!) but didn't see any clear way to filter it to Spotify/music metadata only. Restricting to metadata+other cuts it down somewhat but it's still 100s of results for most topics. Will be interesting to see what's there and not once the actual music torrents come up,…

It's in their roadmap, from what they said. I'd imagine they wouldn't reject someone who wanted to contribute that feature to the project.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by [deleted] »

gorbachev wrote: post #399
crazygringo wrote: post #11

This is insane. I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. But this does seem like it will be a godsend for researche…

Flippant response: If it's ok for Meta for commercial use, why not for researchers for legitimate research work? More serious response: research is explicitly included in fair use protections in US copyright law. News organizations regularly use leaked / stolen copyrighted material in investigative journalism.

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