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Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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A year on, some Lebanese bystanders hurt in Israel’s pager attack still recovering... Over 3,400 were wounded when devices belonging to Hezbollah members exploded https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-year-on-some-lebanese-bystan...

@dang why is this downvoted? Because I'm including a link to an Israely newspaper? Replying to a question asked? I don't include any opinion!

All I can tell you is that users downvoted it. As to why - your guess is as good as mine, though there are sometimes clues in the replies.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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This has not happened anywhere other than your imagination. You mean "if" not "when."

Fortunately, it was well documented. Per the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/1972/12/02/archives/letterbombs-mail...

This is what you call "well-documented"? Did you even read the article?

This 1972 article cites unsubstantiated claims from memoirs written decades after the fact — not verified evidence. There is no solid historical documentation that Israel, the Israeli government, or even Lehi sent functional bombs to U.S. leadership in 1947. The only sources are anecdotal, inconsistent, and disputed.

Crucially, there are no Secret Service or National Archives records of any assassination attempt on Truman by Zionist militants. A Freedom of Information Act request for such records produced nothing. Historians who have looked into the claim find no contemporaneous evidence and no confirmation in government archives.

In other words, this is not a "documented Israeli attack on the U.S." Instead, it’s a story that survives (in spite of evidence that it's false) in the minds and narratives of people like you want it to be true. That’s how conspiracy theories work: weak evidence, strong emotion.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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> Israel has been attacking Palestinians and its neighbors since its inception. They are the aggressors and always have been. False. See? I can play that trick too.

I have sources, do you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

I just skimmed through your comment history. I'm going to take a cue from tptacek and say that this isn't going to be productive. Good day.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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This substack doesn't support the claim at all it just quotes a book that makes the claim. The headline is basically as informative as the whole article. Trash content only useful for riling people up.

Not even the quoted passage from the book makes the claim in the title. It basically says Palantir had a contract with the IDF during the same time the IDF executed the pager attack. There is zero substantiation of the claim that Palantir assisted with the attack itself. It’s mostly a breathless description of Palantir’s standard operating practice — namely, sending “forward deployed engineers” (consultants) to customers — garnished with some emotional (but clever) wordplay like “Operation Grim Beeper.”

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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I don't see how that would apply at all. These aren't nuclear weapons that take out entire populations, these are tiny munitions used to target Hezbollah operatives.

Well, sucks to be you then, since many legal experts do see how this rule applies to this case: https://opiniojuris.org/2024/10/15/is-it-cake-on-boobytrappe... https://www.ejiltalk.org/were-the-israeli-pager-and-walkie-t... https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/exploding-pa...

None of these have anything to do with what you cited above, which was ICRC's summary of customary law about inherently indiscriminate weapons. Your first and second links here are examining entirely different challenges to the operation's legality, and the third is just some vague assertions from questionable sources like Francesca Albanese.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Of course, by Mamdani's logic here we're fully justified in mobilizing force on the scale of the Allied war in Europe during WW2 against any and every nation-state for the crime of being a nation-state. Go ahead and bomb Dresden again out of nowhere , because the nation-state is genocide!

> Go ahead and bomb Dresden again out of nowhere, because the nation-state is genocide! This is the 2nd time "[bomb] Dresden" at me in this thread. Interesting. > by Mamdani's logic here we're fully justified ... Well, if you're curious about where his "logic" (his political hypothesis) leads, Mamdani wrote an entire book on it (which is in fact the subject of the interview): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neither_Set…

Right, now I'm not South African so I can't speak to that angle of what he's writing. I can speak to the angle of Jews in post-WW2 Europe. Mamdani's thesis here has the problem of rather dramatically, in fact insultingly, ignoring the most basic fact: almost nobody in the displaced-persons camps for Jews after the war wanted to go back into post-war European societies, and most of those who tried were murdered or faced state repression (eg: from the Soviet Union) for their trouble. After surviving the Holocaust and/or the war, everyone was much more interested in getting the hell away from people they perceived as their murderers than in a theoretical project of "denationalization" that wouldn't be invented for several decades more anyway.

> After the war, the Allies engaged in many atrocities similar to those the Germans had ... Germans were loaded onto the same cattle cars the Nazis used to transport Jews to concentration, labor, and death camps ... Some half a million Germans died amid the ethnic cleansing.

And this is, de facto, Nazi apologia on Mamdani's part, because he willfully refuses to see significant differences between alternative regimes within the paradigm of the nation-state, as against the post-national ideal he wants to realize in post-colonial Uganda (but which, of course, post-colonial Uganda has never actually implemented).

>It requires that we stop accepting that our differences should define who benefits from the state and who is marginalized by it.

I would also say Mamdani is an entire paradigm behind the times here. Whether you define it via educational credentials, income, or relation to the means of production, politics has been repolarizing around class, not identitarian belonging. "Who benefits from the state" is a deepity concealing Mamdani's social-democratic imaginary in which nation-states rule nations, rather than network-states administrating international markets in labor, capital, and goods.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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How was this not targeted? I was the most targeted military operation we know of. Give me any example of anything in warfare that is close to that.

Firing a projectile at an individual combatant?

Projectiles hit the wrong target all the time. Especially when we get into artillery or air strikes where there's no line of sight to a uniformed soldier, commanders can't be sure if they're going to hit the intended target. That's why we have the principle of proportionality rather than an impossible standard of zero collateral damage.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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@dang why is this downvoted? Because I'm including a link to an Israely newspaper? Replying to a question asked? I don't include any opinion!

All I can tell you is that users downvoted it. As to why - your guess is as good as mine, though there are sometimes clues in the replies.

Indeed, my reply to his reply was downvoted as well. Along the lines of: "I have a preconceived opinion and don't want to deal with facts." Quite popular in some circles these days.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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"The northern settlements were largely evacuated and used by the IDF." This is a complete and utter lie. Hezbollah's missile attacks throughout 2024 led to the evacuation of over 60,000 Israeli residents from northern Israel. Try to imagine the US response to Mexico shooting that many missiles at a US city. "Israel is an occupying power" Israel isn't occupying Lebanon but Hezbollah is. " making it permissible to figh…

Close to a hundred thousand israelis were evacuated from the north at the peak of it. Out of thousands of attacks something like 45 israeli civilians were killed, like when the IDF brought civilians to repair power lines and Hezbollah attacked them. More IDF soldiers were killed between October 2023 and the so called ceasefire agreement, which makes it quite clear that Hezbollah practiced restraint in this regard. I…

"Hezbollah did not do enough to protect civilians"

What an insane statement. Hezbollah was intentionally trying to kill as many civilians as possible with the missiles. The only reason they "only" killed 45 is because Israel has invested so much into the Iron Dome system.

Hezbollah isn't a political party. It is a proxy army of Iran. That is why they started shooting missiles at Israel after Oct 7 2023 even though it led to the killing of its leader Hassan Nasrallah

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Well, sucks to be you then, since many legal experts do see how this rule applies to this case: https://opiniojuris.org/2024/10/15/is-it-cake-on-boobytrappe... https://www.ejiltalk.org/were-the-israeli-pager-and-walkie-t... https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/exploding-pa...

None of these have anything to do with what you cited above, which was ICRC's summary of customary law about inherently indiscriminate weapons. Your first and second links here are examining entirely different challenges to the operation's legality, and the third is just some vague assertions from questionable sources like Francesca Albanese.

You could ask ChatGPT and get a perfectly cromulent answer on what these have to do with what I cited. The key theme is indiscriminate weapons used for indiscriminate attacks. Alas, you can lead a horse to water...
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