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Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Seems like a few negotiation skills would be of better use than doing extreme amounts of work so somebody can take months on approving new hardware. Well guess what, the people that did slow down hardware procurement are now slowing down deployment of cloud resources as well because the fundamental problem wasn't addressed and that's organizational misalignment and disfunction.

You're going to negotiate with the structure of an entire corporation? Excuse me CEO your budgeting process is inconvenient to my work, please change it all to be more responsive. This is not how things work and not how changes are made. Unless you get into the C-suite or at least become a direct report of someone who is nobody cares and you're told to just deal with it. You can't negotiate because you're four levels…

You would be surprised. I have unclogged processes inside and between companies before where people would tell me it's not possible or that success is unlikely.

And yes, if you are working with professionals most expenditures can be planned well in advance so you definitely can take months or even more than a year in the process. If there is a major issue affecting the business of the company you would be surprised what is possible. I've got things approved in weeks in an enterprise of 2000+ employees before and I was 5 levels down from the CEO then. I have improved my negotiation skills greatly since then (it helps when you co-found a consulting company).

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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> Also those hardware savings will be eaten away by two days of your hourly bill Doubt it. I've personally seen AWS bills in the tens of thousands, he's probably not that costly for a day.

I don't think I have joined a startup that pays less than 20k/month to AWS or any cloud in almost a decade. Biggest recent ones were ~200k and ~100k that we managed to lower to ~80k with a couple months of work (but it went back up again after I left). I fondly remember lowering our Heroku bill from 5k to 2k back in 2016 after a day of work. Management was ecstatic.

The only real startup I’ve had the privy of looking into financials had 5 figure AWS bills and literally 5 customers. Single digit customers.

And the product was sending SMS’s.

Startups are clown shows for burning OPM.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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These physics are exactly the same with AWS et al.

AWS has multiple AZs in a single region. I believe these are closer together and thus have lower latency than the three European Hetzner locations.

I think recent events (and quite a few before that) clearly show that you don't put mission critical stuff in only one AWS region.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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I cannot overstate the performance improvement of deploying onto bare metal. We typically see a doubling of performance, as well as extremely predictable baseline performance. This is down to several things: - Latency - having your own local network, rather than sharing some larger datacenter network fabric, gives around of order of magnitude reduced latency - Caches – right-sizing a deployment for the underlying har…

Yup, I hope to god we are moving past the age of 'everything's fast if you have enough machines' and 'money is not real' era of software development. I remember the point in my career when I moved from a cranky old .NET company, where we handled millions of users from a single cabinent's worth of beefy servers, to a cloud based shop where we used every cloud buzzword tech under the sun (but mainly everything was cont…

>to a cloud based shop where we used every cloud buzzword tech under the sun

this is me currently, not so much "tech" as repackaged cloud services as SAAS and middleware, department is amortizing hours and effort against projects, the eldritch horrors you're referring to are starting to manifest and I want out.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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I use Hetzner for this reason, but there are caveats. They're great but their uptime isn't as good as AWS and they don't have great region coverage. I strongly advise people to pair them with Cloudflare. Use Hetzner for your core with K8s, and use R2/D1/KV with Container Durable Objects to add edge coprocessing. I also like to shard customer data to individual DOs, this takes a ton of scaling pressure off your data l…

AWS has certainly had some pretty public facing downtime ;) I'd say its been roughly the same in my experience- the only way to avoid it IMHO is multi-region.

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Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

#636

I use Hetzner for this reason, but there are caveats. They're great but their uptime isn't as good as AWS and they don't have great region coverage. I strongly advise people to pair them with Cloudflare. Use Hetzner for your core with K8s, and use R2/D1/KV with Container Durable Objects to add edge coprocessing. I also like to shard customer data to individual DOs, this takes a ton of scaling pressure off your data l…

3 days after posting this amazon is having public facing outages...

https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/amazon-tech-outage-10...

I legit cannot buy anything on Amazon. Reddit and Epic Games are also broken.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Context is important for stuff like this, I've served 350M requests (with db interaction) for $49 via cloudflare before, but it all depends what you're trying to do. Abstracted infrastructure like Kubernetes is expensive by default, so design has an impact.

$49 via Cloudflare? Is this via Workers? Were you using Cloudflare's database systems or their Hyperdrive service?

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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I'd like to thank everyone moving their hosting away from shared hosts to VPS. Been on the same shared hosting platform for 15+ years and the hardware's load average dropped to ~16% on a 64-core Epyc /w 512gb RAM. Easily handles half million unique bursts without breaking a sweat.

What do you run on your shared hosts? PHP? PGsql?

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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My last co runs hundreds of servers with Hetzner for a semi-stateless workload. With AWS, the pricing let alone the performance wouldn't be viable. At some point we also used Heroku for the application (more recently EKS); the combo drove folks nuts as, it was "weird".

Are these dedicated servers or VPS?
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