Eventually an open source project will jailbreak these devices like they did Nintendo devices with similar enshitification tactics.
Synology reverses policy banning third-party HDDs
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Re: Synology reverses policy banning third-party HDDs
#632NOT true. They have NOT fully reversed on this. Please read: https://kb.synology.com/en-global/DSM/tutorial/Drive_compati...
Exec summary for those who think their time is not worth this evil madness: The only change is that they now allow you to use any 2.5" SATA SSD. Everything else, meaning: 2.5" SATA HDDs (the by far most common thing you would want to use) and NVME SSDs: Still a no-no. No, there was no lesson learned here by them at all. The liked article specifically is wrong here: "Third-party hard drives and 2.5-inch SATA SSDs" No,…
Regardless, the fact that this is even a question or has ambiguity/uncertainty in any way is enough to get me to never use a Synology NAS.
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#633Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hot swap for drives is a must on a NAS. If you have to power it down to swap out a drive there is a chance that your small problem becomes a larger one. Better to replace the drive immediately and have the NAS do the rebuild without a powercycle.
If you're worried the hard drives won't spin back up, I'd say you should instead spin them down regularly so you know that risk is basically zero. If you're worried the power supply will explode and surge into the drives when you turn it on, you should not be using that power supply at all. Any other risks to powering it down? And for the particular issue of replacing a failed drive and not wanting to open up the cas…
Agree, you should consider replacing your drives on your primary server (backup servers we can debate) as soon as you start seeing the first SMART problems, like bad sectors. If you do regular data scrubbing, and none of these problems show up on the other drives, I'd argue the risk that they fail simultaneously is fairly low.
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#634Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is silly about building your own? Explain? If rsync works for you, why would you buy Dropbox? “Why Lamborghini when Honda” is equally as silly yet I’ve seen them race head to head. Honda won.
I don't agree with the grandparent comment... I don't think it's silly. But building your own doesn't scale to all the things. For everybody who wants to build their own X, the same person doesn't also want to build their Y and Z. They will eventually need to buy some products. So there will generally always be a market for pre-packaged solutions. For example: someone building an app may need network storage. They ma…
In which case enjoy your Synology DRM and don’t complain that an RPi or ITX DIY build isn’t comparable…
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#635Earlier quoted context omitted.
My point is there are alternatives, like you said.
The alternative to a Synology NAS isn't RPi. There are plenty of alternatives - QNAP, UGreen, a tower running TrueNAS - but a messy pile of overpriced unreliable SoCs attached to SATA hats isn't an alternative for a single device with multiple hard drive bays, consistent power and cooling, and easy management.
The alternative is anything not Synology that can do NAS with SATA SSD or NVMe storage. That’s it. Anything more than that is in a class of enterprise servers that deserve its own discussion over a simple DS1522+
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#636I have a ds920 4 bay from synology. It's a pretty decent product, their browser OS for it is incredibly good and useful, the performance is pretty good and I've stuck extra ram in it, ssd for caching reads/writes (altho I have it disabled for writes). But after what they've done recently I don't know if I'd use em again. I know everyone jusy says "build your own!!!11" I used to be like that too I love tech. But somet…
What are the specifics of the SSDs you chose? I understand you have to go for specific types/models to make sure they don't melt down too quickly.
I used seagate ironwolf hdds (which have been reliable but s little noisy). And honestly for the cache ssd I just chucked in an old m.2 Samsung 980 pro or something I had lying around from years ago.
I don't need crazy performance or to fine tune the setup or anything, like I said it's mostly just to plug and play.
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#637> According to some reports, sales of Synology’s 2025 NAS models dropped sharply in the months after the restriction was introduced. What did NAS customers purchase instead? I honestly can’t believe anyone at Synology thought this would turn out differently.
> What did NAS customers purchase instead?
I just settled for a budget QNAP unit. Been great tbh
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#638Earlier quoted context omitted.
> " Do you think more employee ownership and control, a "seat at the table," would've prevented technically competent leadership from testing customer hostile business decisions? " Employee control doesn't reduce investor pressure for increased profitability. Employee ownership just means that the employees are now the ones exerting the investor pressure and if anyone thinks employees will be willing to take less tot…
Careful about reading too much into "employee ownership". It can be and at least sometimes (I suspect usually, at least in the US) is structured such that it doesn't really work the way you might think. 1) The shares can be non-voting shares. LOL. 2) Only a relatively small portion of the overall "pie" has to go to employees for them to be able to say they're "employee owned". There can still be non-employee owners i…
As a self employed business owner I should definitely start billing us as “employee owned”.
I’m unaware of any tax avoidance advantages but I should ask my accountant (pretty sure he’ll say no though. :D )
I’ve actually considered various ways of assigning non-voting shares in the past as a way to grant employees some skin in the game without ceding control or permanently diluting ownership. It’s not a ‘startup’ in the HN sense so handing out shares willy nilly doesn’t make sense.
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#639Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What is interesting here is that Synology leadership is quite technical Vagueposting out of necessity: I worked at a different company that made popular consumer products and had leadership with technical backgrounds. That company also went through a period of trying to lock down the platform for profits, which everyone hated. The root cause was that the technical leadership had started to think two things: That th…
> a period of trying to lock down the platform for profits, .... their customers were so loyal to the brand that they wouldn’t leave Isn't that a contradictory position? Locking in raises the cost of disloyalty, loyal customers (by definition) don't need to be locked in. You only need to lock in loyal customers if you are planning on turning customer hostile.
You answered your own question.
You see this a lot when a company’s founders leave and are replaced by MBAs. Customer goodwill isn’t a tangible asset, so the MBAs burn it to produce more quarterly revenue. It works great for a while until the customers wisely decide never to let that company burn them again.
By that stage the MBAs have scored even higher paying jobs at bigger companies based on how much they boosted profits, so I guess it continues to work for them afterwards too.
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#640Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like you don't argue hard enough
That seems to be a rather short-of-support conclusion based on the evidence available.
The evidence is based on what was given. If the parent cannot convince the team/management then there is something wrong.
It could be confidence.
It could be social standing.
It could be that they are not explaining their viewpoint properly to the stake holders.
If the parent is not gaining traction and blaming it on intelligence, likely, the parent can't see others viewpoints either and is not trying to bring the team along...
Engineering is not just systems...