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Re: Sora 2

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Post by eru »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

> What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

Tiktok makes a lot of money, doesn't it? It definitely draws a lot of eyeballs.

Seems pretty clear what the benefit (to the company) is?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by eru »

morleytj wrote: post #559
raincole wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

I think reading does force more long term focus, even if it's marginal for certain books. Certainly moreso than scrolling TikTok. My personal process of grappling with this led to a focus on agency and intentionality when defining the difference. Scrolling TikTok, much as scrolling Twitter or Facebook or Instagram or YouTube's recommendations would be, is an entirely passive activity. You sit back and you allow the C…

Eh, old people always complain about the media of the younger generation.

Compare https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesesucht (use Google Translate).

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Andrex »

haolez wrote: post #168

One use that occurred to me is that fans will be able to "fix" some movies that dropped the ball. For example, I saw a lot of people criticizing "Wish" (2023, Disney) for being a good movie in the first half, and totally dropping the ball in the last half. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm wondering if fans will be able to evolve the source material in the future to get the best possible version of it. Maybe we will eve…

> Maybe we will even get a good closure for Lost (2004)!

Whether it's text or super-advanced VR holograms, if it's fan fiction it's fan fiction. Which can be interesting and compelling, but that will never be as exciting as the Word of God[0]. Death of the Author is a nice thought experiment but few people really adhere to it, I've found.

0. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod

Re: Sora 2

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Post by eru »

groggo wrote: post #504
morleytj wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

It's pretty entertaining. People always like telling stories. Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination. Lowering the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is so cool. I think you have to be pretty pessimistic to not just think it's really cool. You can find issues with it for sure, and maybe argue that those issues outweigh the b…

> People always like telling stories. Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination.

It's not just different amounts, but different kinds. A (good) comic strip isn't just the full text of a book plus some pictures..

Re: Sora 2

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Post by eru »

afavour wrote: post #548
groggo wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty entertaining. People always like telling stories. Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination. Lowering the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is so cool. I think you have to be pretty pessimistic to not just think it's really cool. You can find issues with it for sure, and maybe argue that those issues outweigh the b…

I think it’s really cool… and I’m still concerned about the long term implications of it. We’ve already seen a lot of TV get worse and worse (e.g. more reality tv) in a quest to reduce costs. It’s not difficult to imagine a reality where talented people can’t make great content because it’s cheaper to thump out bargain basement AI slop.

We could start by banning cameras, so that people have to draw by hand again. /s

Re: Sora 2

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Post by elpakal »

Wish I was cool enough to have an invite code. Oh well, as an iOS build nerd next best thing I can do is inspect their ipa I guess. Interesting that they have some pretty big duplicate mp4s nobody caught in NoFaceDesignSystemBundle: cameo_onboarding_0.mp4 & create_ifu_1.mp4 | 7.3MB and cameo_onboarding_2.mp4 & create_ifu_0.mp4 | 5.2MB.

Also I find it neat that they still include an iOSMath bundle (in chatGPT too), makes me wonder how good their models really are at math.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by eru »

JacobThreeThree wrote: post #579
afavour wrote: post #552

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I just see it as a (sad) reflection of capitalism. Those investors need some short term returns!

This does not make any sense. There's far more economic opportunity with AGI.

Why not do both?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by eru »

stingraycharles wrote: post #508
morleytj wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

Honestly if I learned anything over the past few decades it’s that I’m typically wrong about these kind of predictions, and society as a whole uses social media in a way that I just don’t comprehend. I would have never guessed a social media app whose biggest feature is “it disappears within 24h!” (even though you can easily screenshot everything) would become as big as it became. Also, remember that it’s not about b…

> I would have never guessed a social media app whose biggest feature is “it disappears within 24h!” (even though you can easily screenshot everything) would become as big as it became.

Or 'everything has to fit into 120 characters' (= Twitter). Or 'replies are designed to be maximally rage bait-y' (= Tumblr).

Re: Sora 2

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Post by eru »

some-guy wrote: post #452
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

My opinion is that unless there is some insane breakthrough in power efficiency with video generation, or if energy costs go down to zero, there is no way such a thing actually becomes profitable at the scale of scrolling TikTok. It is far more power efficient (and cheaper) to have people post their own content.

I'm not sure you need a 'breakthrough', just many incremental improvements will do the trick.

We are also getting better at producing cheap power. For example thanks to intermittent sources like solar and wind, in many places electricity often becomes free in wholesale markets some times of the day.

AI generation (including video) currently takes at least a second, and users expect that delay. So that means inference is not latency sensitive and you can put these data centres anywhere in the world, wherever power is cheapest. Model training cares even less about latency.

At the moment, the hardware itself is too expensive (and nvidia has long backlogs), so people run them even when power is expensive. But you can easily imagine an alternative future where power never becomes cheaper than today (on average), but we have lots of AI data centres lying in wait around the world and only kicking into full gear when and where power is essentially free.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by bigyabai »

pants2 wrote: post #118
jablongo wrote: post #39

Sam Altman has made (for me) encouraging statements in the past about short-form video like TikTok being the best current example of misaligned AI. While this release references policies to combat "Doomscrolling and RL-sloptimization", it's curious that OpenAI would devote resources to building a social app based on AI generated short form video, which seems to be a core problem in our world. IMO you can't tweak the…

I'm optimistic about the Sora app! My hope is that it becomes much more whimsical and fun than TikTok because everyone on the app knows that all content is fake. Hopefully that means less rage-bait and more creative content, like OG YouTube. Nobody's going to get their news from Sora because it's literally 100% fake.

> Hopefully that means less rage-bait

I have seen what people generate with AI, and I do not have good news for you.

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