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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by et-al »

wang_li wrote: post #408
fuzzehchat wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is a tech lawyer. I think the article is there to start discussion. I agree with him that if private venues allow people to record like this they should offer, at the very least, an opt out. "Purple lanyard" seems like a good way. It's also a pretty easy spot in post production where you can either blur or cut as appropriate.

There is a super obvious opt out that doesn't require people to take special actions. Don't go to places that allow recording.

From the article:

I occasionally see people saying “well, if you don’t want to be in photos published online, don’t be in public spaces”.

This is nonsense, for a number of reasons. Clearly, one should be able to exist in society, including going outside one’s own home, without needing to accept this kind of thing.

In any case, here, the issue is somewhat different, since it is a private site, where people engage in private activity (a hobby).

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Post by sentientslug »

renewiltord wrote: post #515
al_borland wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They still get used to try and discredit him all the time. Same with the videos of AOC dancing.

Yeah but both of those are clearly ineffective since both those people won their respective elections.

I get your point but even if elected it can sway public perception of character

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by carlosjobim »

dylan604 wrote: post #602
carlosjobim wrote: post #576

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Again, you seem to think that public/private need to be used at the same time. You can have a private event that is publicized so everyone knows it happens yet only those invited can attend. A royal wedding would be an example to keep it in the same realm as the topic. The entire planet knew when William at Kate were getting married, when it was, and where it was. If you tried to get into that event without an invite…

You continue to argue that I'm saying the exact opposite of what I've said. Are you arguing only for the sake of it?

> It does not mean the event is open to the public.

I have never said any such thing. It is public in the sense that it is publicized, as I've now mentioned countless times. The word "public" also means something that is "official" and out in the open. It doesn't always mean that it is something which the general public is invited to attend. A good example is the one you gave on the royal wedding. All weddings are public weddings in that very same sense.

> You seem to think that more words are needed in English to get the concept across, yet you seem to be the only one with the inability to grasp the concept.

Clearly there are more words needed, since you continue to understand the exact opposite of what I'm saying.

> Why you think that a wedding needs a public announcement because of regulations is relevant or not is something I cannot see the point of making.

Then ponder it.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by rajer »

As someone who plays a lot of online games, there is a similar problem with streamers. While I don’t say anything I wouldn’t want to be recorded because that’s probably a good idea anyway, it is certainly possible I could end up in some kind a fail compilation or otherwise.

But I don’t really care, for one because the stakes are lower when it’s fully online behind a mostly anonymous account, but also because I am confident if anyone was actually watching a streamer in my game I would find out about it.

If the YouTuber at your local field was raking in views, you would probably know about it, and could you try to resolve it with them. Otherwise these videos are probably not being seen by anyone but their recorder.

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Post by Loughla »

landl0rd wrote: post #620
al_borland wrote: post #499

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I find photos and videos to both be invasive and unwanted. I’ve been a member and gyms where the owner will start taking videos and pictures of the class that ultimately end up on social media or in marketing material. I’m not ok with it and I get incredible uncomfortable when I’m in some weird position to do an exercise and a camera starts heading my way. Any time an unwanted camera is around there is some level of…

Classes are a different story, but at least for the legion of would-be gymfluencers that show up in gyms frequented by us zoomers, there's an easy solution: tell them to please not film you. If they don't comply, mess up their video. Deliberately walk across the camera. Deliberately get in the way. Take the machine against which they're resting a cell phone and start using it. Make funny faces. Whatever. More people…

The problem with acting antisocial during someone else's filming is that they are then free to blow you up with whatever lies they feel like, just because they're angry. People get their lives ruined by doing that.

That's where my anxiety comes in when I see people filming. I am MASSIVELY aware of my face, body, and genuinely everything about myself when I run into that, because I do not want to be tried in the court of public opinion.

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Post by Terr_ »

jedimastert wrote: post #199

I would also push back against the whole "this is just being perceived in public" thing, because you're not consenting to being perceived by the entire planet, you were consenting to being perceived by the people present and in the community . Like if there's a bully in the community, the community can do something about it or you can at least avoid them. Like you are consenting to interacting with a culture of like-…

I feel this has some parallels to concerns over house/porch cameras which are proliferating these days.

I have no problem with the idea that everyone on the street is recording from their porch... as long as it's for their own siloed use, and it takes a conscious act for them to share it. If someone wants to stalk you, they'd need conscious assistance from your neighbors. If the police are tracking a hit-and-run, they need to ask people for footage during a time period, etc.

But the moment someone says "hey let's network all those with object/face recognition so that you can easily trace every person walking down the street", then we've got a problem.

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Post by o11c »

Aurornis wrote: post #375
jen729w wrote: post #11

I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable? I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in he…

> I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? I find it interesting how the winds have changed on this topic. 5-10 years ago it was a hot topic in online tech spaces (HN, Reddit, Slashdot and adjacent sites) about preserving your rights to take photos and videos in public spaces. I can understand some people preferring not to b…

There are at least 3 completely distinct actions at stake here, and we should not pretend they are the same:

1. Taking pictures/videos for personal use.

2. Taking pictures/videos for internet fame/money.

3. Taking pictures/videos as a check on abuse of power.

Most opposition now is due to #2, sometimes under the guise of #3; #3 also has divisions between "is it {illegal,unethical,immoral,weird}?"

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Post by scotty79 »

soiltype wrote: post #606
scotty79 wrote: post #514

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That's the solution. You don't want to be recorded? Attend "no-recording" event. If there are no such events, tough luck. Market is not obligated to serve your particular needs. If you thing enough people care, organize it yourself.

This comment doesn't engage with the topic at all - you've just used "the free market" as a pass to avoid any meaningful discussion of privacy, consent, and social contracts in the digital age. If your "solution" is literally "tough luck" (we both know "no-recording" airsoft events are extremely unlikely to exist) - what has this added to the conversation?

> we both know "no-recording" airsoft events are extremely unlikely to exist

Let's assume it's true. What does it mean? That pretending to ruthlessly murder people while not being recorded is a niche kink and society doesn't owe this guy any special accomodations.

Thanks to the internet, which publishing prowess he abhors, I'm sure, this guy will still be able to find group of fellow degenerates so he can have fun with his exact perversion down to a T.

Or he can relax his requirements and perhaps attend swingers club instead of airsoft, because they don't usually record their hobby. Or keep doing pretend murders but relax his stance about recording it towards more mainstream sensibilities.

Is this sufficient engagement with the topic for you?

Or do I have to spell out that privacy is not special. You aren't organically owed anything when you are with other people, except for what current societal sensibilities dictate.

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Post by lomase »

lurk2 wrote: post #599
everdrive wrote: post #315

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>Basic human decency. You've got a very large, diverse population without a strong social identity and ever-fraying trust. So you won't consistently get basic human decency any longer. That's something which is extended to the in-group with which you have real social ties and obligations. Most people don't have this any longer.

> So you won't consistently get basic human decency any longer. That's something which is extended to the in-group with which you have real social ties and obligations. This is nonsense. People started taking photos of crowds almost as soon as the camera was invented.

But back then 99.99% of those pictures did not get published anywhere.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by scotty79 »

ilikecakeandpie wrote: post #559
scotty79 wrote: post #536

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Who cares, your body will degrade and ultimately decompose in few short decades. If people aren't decent enough to wait till you are dead and bother you over the footage of you they've seen, you should go after them, not the person who recorded the footage. They are the ones who cause you inconvenience.

Young girls are killing themselves every day over something you're saying "who cares" about

Go after the people who make young girls think it's something they should do in that situation.
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