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Re: iPhone Air

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Post by crossroadsguy »

grogenaut wrote: post #358
ManBeardPc wrote: post #328

I want an extra thick model instead, let’s call it iPhone Travel (or Ultra?). Just thick enough so the cameras are no longer sticking out. Give me an all-week battery instead of an all-day one. Slim down the power usage and give a power saver mode that actually does make a difference. Let me go on a weekend trip in nature or festival without having to carry extra hardware or having to look for public charging station…

This is why I mostly stick with the Moto G models which have easily multi-day battery and cost sub $250.

But do you get to hear First Time in A Moto G™ when they announce something? See! That is what you are missing. That is what you pay for. That's revolutionary. Take my money Apple!

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by [deleted] »

ksec wrote: post #230
creer wrote: post #167

"Impossibly thin" is right in line with Patrick McGee's "Apple in China" who argues that the main reason for Apple's designs is to keep imitators at bay by introducing manufacturing challenges that only they can meet. Indeed impossible at the time of release. One generation after the other. He estimates this gains them about 6 months of headway. Tough world. (Yes, to be fair, there is more to this new phone than just…

That was partly true when he was writing the book or doing research, but is no longer true today. China have manage to make phone that is under 5mm, and even stated the only thing that is stopping them getting even thinner is the USB-C port.

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Re: iPhone Air

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Post by NikolaNovak »

jdprgm wrote: post #187

Can someone that is actually interested in this explain the appeal? Thin on its own I get but thin with a giant bump 100% defeats the whole point for me. Seems clear at this point there is little hope of them engineering their way into thin cameras.

It's a weird cyclical thing.

Samsung galaxy s2 was a super small super thin phone, 15 years ago almost, which still had user replaceable battery, microsd, 3.5mm, gps, and everything most people would expect smartphone to have.

We then spent a decade making phones 0.2" bigger each generation as if that's an advancement - I.e. As if we couldn't have made them big in the first place (all the while removing physical features).

Then we started making them thin again, as if we couldn't have made them thin before.

It makes me think of cars - VW golf used to be a small car, then it kept growing... So they released Polo... Which kept growing so they made lupo... But each year my entire life they have ads like "6 inches bigger than before" or "10cm more legroom than competition", as if there haven't been small and large cars before.

Grumble Grumble, seen it all before, kids get off my lawn :-)

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by crossroadsguy »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #216
creer wrote: post #167

"Impossibly thin" is right in line with Patrick McGee's "Apple in China" who argues that the main reason for Apple's designs is to keep imitators at bay by introducing manufacturing challenges that only they can meet. Indeed impossible at the time of release. One generation after the other. He estimates this gains them about 6 months of headway. Tough world. (Yes, to be fair, there is more to this new phone than just…

Is anyone buying an iPhone because it's slightly thinner than other phones? I've never heard anyone say the width of the phone was their reason for picking an iPhone, or any phone for that matter.

People who buy iPhones don't need a reason to buy iPhones other than just for the sake of buying iPhones. That's the key to Apple's trillions. Apple would have made this phone 2.75cm thick and there would have longer lines and same people singing paeans of thick phones and how it is going to change the world and solve global warming and eventually bring everlasting peace.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by nicwolff »

joshjob42 wrote: post #566
jdprgm wrote: post #187

Can someone that is actually interested in this explain the appeal? Thin on its own I get but thin with a giant bump 100% defeats the whole point for me. Seems clear at this point there is little hope of them engineering their way into thin cameras.

I'm going to preorder one because I want a light phone and a large screen. This will be the lightest iPhone in years while also having a bigger screen than most. I dropped from the Pro Max to the Pro last year because I was tired of how much it hurt when I dropped my phone on my face. I don't have much call for most of the camera system, and my battery life on my Pro is just fine. I have plenty of chargers typically,…

I use an old iPod Touch to read in bed, it doesn't hurt at all! Shame they stopped selling them, and it has stopped getting OS updates.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by hdgvhicv »

arcane23 wrote: post #593
jdprgm wrote: post #187

Can someone that is actually interested in this explain the appeal? Thin on its own I get but thin with a giant bump 100% defeats the whole point for me. Seems clear at this point there is little hope of them engineering their way into thin cameras.

Doubt most people want it as thin as possible. This is just the phone industry running out of ideas and trying to tell people what they actually need. There's not much left to "fix" on mobile phones, and no real important features to add. Lacking that, they need something to sell the phones with, so they're going for these strange "improvements". It needs to be something that has some wow factor so they can lead with…

I want a phone that fits in my hand. Will have to leave the iPhone world in a few years when the 13 mini dies, but from what I can tell android is just as bad.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by reaperducer »

Humphrey wrote: post #598

Hot take: iPhone Air isn't about making phones lighter, but to justify making their other models heavier. iPhone Air is 165g. The new iPhone Pro 17 is 204g but the 15 Pro was only 187g. iPhone 17 is 7g more than the iPhone 16 which was 170g (only 5g heavier than the new Air). Their pricing ladding places the Air above the regular 17 and below the 17 Pro. If Apple didn't make the Air, then the 17 family would have bee…

Hot take

"Hot takes" are for Reddit.

People on HN are expected to think before they respond.

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by benoittravers »

manacit wrote: post #471
ManBeardPc wrote: post #328

I want an extra thick model instead, let’s call it iPhone Travel (or Ultra?). Just thick enough so the cameras are no longer sticking out. Give me an all-week battery instead of an all-day one. Slim down the power usage and give a power saver mode that actually does make a difference. Let me go on a weekend trip in nature or festival without having to carry extra hardware or having to look for public charging station…

Personally, I really like being able to use lightweight MagSafe batteries instead of having a thicker iPhone. I used to agree with you, but the tech has gotten ridiculously good the last couple of years. With something like https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HRY02LL/A/anker-maggo-pow... , you get a magsafe battery that doubles the life of an iPhone and can be independently recharged, and is so slim that I can put it…

Not at the prices the MagSafe batteries are

Re: iPhone Air

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Post by kalleboo »

timerol wrote: post #419

> iPhone Air features N1, a new Apple-designed wireless networking chip that enables Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 6, and Thread. Congrats to Apple for finally designing out Broadcom and vertically integrating the wireless chip

Wireless chipsets have just always been notoriously unreliable. It will be interesting to see Apple can improve reliability here.
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