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We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Post by jamesnorden »

dbg31415 wrote: post #213

Some things shouldn't be left to amateurs to repair. Just because you "own" the hardware doesn't mean you're equipped to fix it safely or securely. Modern devices are tightly integrated systems -- tinkering with them can make them less reliable, less secure, and sometimes outright dangerous. Manufacturers lock down certain layers not just out of greed, but because risk management protects both users and the people ar…

Non-sequitur. Full-auto conversion kits are illegal. If you're not repairing the house for the intent of selling it, there's no reason for it to be inspected, so that is already possible. Not even gonna comment on the car example, because it's hilariously out of touch.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Post by g-b-r »

socalgal2 wrote: post #409
extraisland wrote: post #284

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Everything in life is about trade-offs. Certain trade-offs people aren't going to make. - If you want to run an alternative operating system, you got to learn how it works. That is a trade off not even many tech savvy people want to make. - There is a trade-off with a desktop OS. I actually like the fact that it isn't super sand-boxed and locked down. I am willing to trade security & safety for control. > Personally…

AFAICT the only trade off is there's no support and few apps for Qubes OS. If it was as popular as MacOS or Windows what would the trade off be?

Apps for QubesOS??

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Post by carlosjobim »

7373737373 wrote: post #99
carlosjobim wrote: post #90

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Your opinion is not "a gentle reminder", "a friendly reminder" or "a public service announcement". It's just your opinion and nothing more.

It's obvious you don't understand what is written in those links. The capability security architecture breaks the false dichotomy of either having to have a fully locked down or open operating system, it provides the technical foundation to grant individual programs, and even parts of these programs, recursively, only the (data, filesystem, network) access and resource consumption (cpu, memory) rights that they need.…

I appreciate that I probably don't understand what is written in those links. But whether you're right or wrong - and you're probably right - phrasing your comment in the clichéd "gentle reminder" makes people refrain from taking your message to heart.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Post by jamesnorden »

seviu wrote: post #270
odo1242 wrote: post #206

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It likely won't be safe - they're probably going to enforce it through a Google Play Services update rather than an Android update, which means all previous Android OS versions after 5.0 (Lollipop, released in 2014) will be hit with the changes. In order to bypass that you'd need to install a Custom ROM or stop using and uninstall the Google Play Store entirely (since it's not possible to selectively disable just thi…

I seriously doubt they can restrict sideloading through Google play services. But if they do then it’s worse than what I thought.

Entirely possible, i.e. by not allowing Google Play Protect to be toggled off anymore.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Post by disiplus »

999900000999 wrote: post #311
josephg wrote: post #260

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My parents are getting old and they aren't tech savvy. The missing piece here is that I want my parents to have a computer they can safely do their banking on, without leaving them vulnerable to scams and viruses and the like. I like that they have iphones. Doing internet banking on their phone is safer than doing it on their desktop computer. Why is that? The reason is that the desktop PC security model is deeply fl…

As is Android has support for multi user more. Get some real sandboxing, let me install whatever I want in my sandbox. That's a bare minimum. I also want "I am an adult" mode where I get to do what I want. If Google wants to flag secure net, fine. Not every thing is going to work.

yeah this whole shit where lets optimize it for the lowest common denominator is stupid. I hate everything about it.

im a older millennial, so i have older parents and young kids. My father could not bother with a smartphone or does not care about internet at all. My mother uses whatsapp and everything after initial year she is quite handy with it. Im not scared about her, im more scared that she is reading AI slop.

My kids are now at the age where a lot of the pears are getting a smartphone for them im not giving them a smartphone. If i give them a smartphone in a year or i will be using parental controls.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Post by 3abiton »

wvh wrote: post #462
zmmmmm wrote: post #165

> In this context this would mean having the ability and documentation to build or install alternative operating systems on this hardware It doesn't work. Everything from banks to Netflix and others are slowly edging out anything where they can't fully verify the chain of control to an entity they can have a legal or contractual relationship with. To be clear, this is fundamental, not incidental. You can't run your o…

What I like about your comment is that it points out that all technical work-arounds are moot if people as a whole are not willing to stand up with pitchforks and torches to defend their freedoms. It will always come down to that. A handful of tech-savvy users with rooted devices and open-source software will not make a difference to the giant crushing machine that is the system. And I'm afraid most of us are part of…

I am looking forward for the day I remote ssh into a controlling my iPhone/Android so I can login to my bank app because they stopped allowing web access, and I don't want to compromise on privacy. Shit is nuts.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Post by mathiaspoint »

tzury wrote: post #84

We need both options to coexist: 1. Open, hackable hardware for those who want full control and for driving innovation 2. Locked-down, managed devices for vulnerable users who benefit from protection This concept of "I should run any code on hardware I own" is completely wrong as a universal principle. Yes, we absolutely should be able to run any code we want on open hardware we own - that option must exist. But we s…

People too stupid to use computers safely should be kept away from computers for their own safety. Giving that kind of person any kind of computer would be immoral by definition. They shouldn't have phones at all, they're just going to fall for corporate approved scams from Meta, Applovin, and Indian call centers.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Post by camgunz »

wvh wrote: post #462
zmmmmm wrote: post #165

> In this context this would mean having the ability and documentation to build or install alternative operating systems on this hardware It doesn't work. Everything from banks to Netflix and others are slowly edging out anything where they can't fully verify the chain of control to an entity they can have a legal or contractual relationship with. To be clear, this is fundamental, not incidental. You can't run your o…

What I like about your comment is that it points out that all technical work-arounds are moot if people as a whole are not willing to stand up with pitchforks and torches to defend their freedoms. It will always come down to that. A handful of tech-savvy users with rooted devices and open-source software will not make a difference to the giant crushing machine that is the system. And I'm afraid most of us are part of…

> What I like about your comment is that it points out that all technical work-arounds are moot if people as a whole are not willing to stand up with pitchforks and torches to defend their freedoms.

If your system requires extraordinary political efforts from large numbers of people, your system will fail. We are the elites, we have to oppose this. If Netflix asks us to implement this kind of DRM, we have to resign. If Facebook asks us to implement sophisticated surveillance, we have to resign. Etc. etc. We can't keep cashing the checks and then point to the body politic like "I beg you to stop me".

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Post by tiahura »

zmmmmm wrote: post #165

> In this context this would mean having the ability and documentation to build or install alternative operating systems on this hardware It doesn't work. Everything from banks to Netflix and others are slowly edging out anything where they can't fully verify the chain of control to an entity they can have a legal or contractual relationship with. To be clear, this is fundamental, not incidental. You can't run your o…

I prefer to live in a society where adults are free to come to their own arrangements with other adults. Not one where those with a penchant for authoritarianism set terms for others.

Sometimes this system may have warts like not getting to watch Netflix on your Switch, but that seems like a small price to pay for respecting individual autonomy.

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