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>Wouldnt it be like 25 years too late, with Intel and its heydays !? wtf? what do you mean, they're like less than 1 year behind TSMC when it comes to leading node
(disclosure Intel Shareholder) I don't think they are one year behind. I think it is more than one year and for a long time they have not been closing in.
U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel
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#632Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel
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Well as much as you don't like it, companies this big failing is terrible for the economy and in this case, national security to a degree. I'm of the thinking that when your company gets to a certain size we'd be well off nationalizing. Apple has more money than some nation states. Something that huge has the potential to affect global politics. There's lots of other reasons too, but this isn't like letting the corne…
How is using tax money to prop up uncompetitive companies good for national security? Wouldn't it be better to replace them with competitive companies? It's super hard to be successful when your own government in backing the competition.
US needed functional railroads and they took over the rr companies.
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It's a fairly routine practice for business owners to let local politicians invest in their business. Why do you think that is?
> fairly routine practice for business owners to let local politicians invest in their business Let? Like this 1? Where if you don't we threaten to fire the CEO and take over the company otherwise? Are you sure it is let? > local politicians Is 1 or more individuals. In this instance it is "the government" as an entity. Not the same?
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#635Earlier quoted context omitted.
Intel's wafers are made of silicon, which is a semiconductor. Silicon on sapphire hasn't been widely used for a long time, if that's what you're thinking of. Photolithography prints resists on semiconductor wafers which are then used to pattern the next process step, such as wet etching, plasma etching, oxide growth, epitaxial polysilicon growth, ion implantation, etc. These mostly remove semiconductor from the wafer…
Interesting, I hadn't known that silicon is itself a semiconductor before all the circuits are added. Am I correct in saying that the etching process transforms a single semiconductor into billions?
Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel
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Is like the country is not already collapsing due to lack of social services compared to the supposed enemy which already has higher lifespan while having 10x lower gdp per capita.
The US is not “collapsing” and we have plenty of social services. Our lifespan is lower because we’re fat.
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#638Shakedown list: Nvidia 15% of revenue AMD 15% of revenue Intel 10% of capital Who else is next?
A deal for 15 percent of revenues of specific AMD and NVidia part sales in China != 15 percent of all their revenues, not even close.
In terms of net effect, it’s atrocious regardless.
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The answer is in the paragraph in between the two you quoted from. The money for the purchase has already been appropriated by Congress and awarded to Intel. The awards didn't previously have this giant string attached where Intel gives stock in return. But now they do. And it makes sense that Intel is spinning it as a generous investment from the gov't, but the gov't is spinning it as a free gift from Intel. Neither…
Isn't that pretty bad, Darth Vader style changing of previously agreed on deals ? Not sure how anyone can believe anything that was agreed will hold in such an environment. :P
haha, is this the first you hear of this Trump guy? He rutinely breaks deals, like all the fucking time. (I get that this was not his deal, he breaks those too)
A deal with Trump is worth nothing.
Re: U.S. government takes 10% stake in Intel
#640Capitalism for profits, socialism for losses. I’m sick of seeing this sort of behavior pan out time and time again, though I’m hardly surprised by it at this point. Speaking of things that wouldn’t surprise me, if Intel can’t manage an about-face in the next three to six years I fully expect them to become a Nationalized enterprise if only to preserve fabrication and chip design capabilities domestically. Same with B…
> Capitalism for profits, socialism for losses. I’m sick of seeing this sort of behavior pan out time and time again, though I’m hardly surprised by it at this point I'm not sure how this applies. The US government just gained a 10% stake for nothing (that wasn't already given). Effectively going from the scenario you are painting to now taking a part of the profit as well. I guess you were surprised after all!