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Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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I live in one of the areas they are actively testing/training in. Their cars consistently behave better and more safely than most human drivers that I’m forced to share the road with. As semi-autonomous and autonomous cars become the norm, I would adore to see obtaining a drivers license ratchet up in difficulty in order to remove dangerous human drivers from the road.

If only we can get autonomous cycles that also a danger to pedestrians and themselves.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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> What do you think taxes on gasoline are for? Paying for our highways circa 1993 [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_Sta...

You realize states levy taxes on gas too, right? And that those taxes are remitted to city governments to build and maintain infrastructure?

None of what you're saying matters even a little bit if you're not able to provide any numbers on how much you're actually paying. Because we both know it's not 100%, or even 25%. So stop bullshitting.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Because the point is to slow the traffic down, not to extract revenue from the peasantry. Same as the difference between an obvious speed trap and a "gotcha" speed trap.

But does it slow people down? I doubt it has significant effect. Very few people are going to be going over 80 a few meters in front of a 50 sign. You essentially are only catching people who are doing close to double the upcoming speed limit. Those who are willing to do that should be getting much more severe punishment than a speeding ticket.

They do.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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No I wouldn't be bothered because I actually do those things. As should anyone driving. And they're not felonies, they're cheap tickets that probably won't even add points to your license.

Three felonies a day: ISBN 978-1594035227 and i'm sorry, i can't take anyone seriously that claims they both know and always follow every vehicle code, wherever they are and wherever they travel. I do understand it allows one to shake their head in disdain for the unwashed cars driven by the lesser drivers of our society. I can follow anyone, including federal agents, local and state law enforcement, CDL drivers; i w…

there's a big leap between "every vehicle code" and something as simple as "using a turn signal properly" and "not camping in the left lane"

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Three felonies a day: ISBN 978-1594035227 and i'm sorry, i can't take anyone seriously that claims they both know and always follow every vehicle code, wherever they are and wherever they travel. I do understand it allows one to shake their head in disdain for the unwashed cars driven by the lesser drivers of our society. I can follow anyone, including federal agents, local and state law enforcement, CDL drivers; i w…

there's a big leap between "every vehicle code" and something as simple as "using a turn signal properly" and "not camping in the left lane"

my list of possible infractions was non-exhaustive if you'll excuse the car pun.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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>speeding up at yellow lights I remember reading somewhere accelerating at orange light is actually a ticket-able offense?

My memory may be outdated or only local to my jurisdiction but my understanding is that yellow means “do not enter the intersection” where “intersection” begins before the box, usually with some alternate street indicator, like broken white lines turning to solid, at a braking distance that accounts for posted speed limit and yellow light duration.

My general understanding is , you can still enter the intersection when the light is yellow.

If it is already red, you may be photographed and fine sent to your address. Or a nearby cop can give you a ticket.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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I live in AZ, try driving on Lincoln in Paradise Valley. Everyone is going at 40mph because of the speed cameras. Most people don't want to be fugitives.

I sometimes use Tatum with PV's speed vans parked on the side of the road to head towards downtown Phx and, yes, the common speed is definitely around 40. But pretty much as soon as past McDonald and on 44th St, I resume the the normalized 7-8 mph over the posted limit because I know there are no more speed cameras.

Which proves the speed cameras in PV work...

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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I live in the bay and occasionally ride Waymo in SF and I pretty much always have a good time. I visited NYC a few weeks ago and was instantly reminded of how much the traffic fucking sucks :) While I was there I actually thought of Waymo and how they'd have to turn up the "aggression" slider up to 11 to get anything done there. I mean, could you imagine the audacity of actually not driving into an intersection when…

Semi-related, but just once in my life, I want to hear a mayoral candidate say: “I endorse broken windows theory, but for drivers. You honk when there’s no emergency, block the box, roll through a stop sign — buddy that’s a ticket. Do it enough and we’ll impound your car.” Who knows, maybe we’ll start taking our cues from our polite new robot driver friends…

Here in Washington DC, we've installed a variety of different kinds of traffic cameras. And the local police engage in targeted enforcement actions against things like driving on the highway shoulder or recklessly operating a moped. It makes a difference. An unexpected upside is that the regular police spend a lot less time catching speeders and stop sign runners, which frees them up for more serious situations.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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This always astounds me about cities who have a reputation for people breaking certain traffic laws. In St. Louis, people run red lights for 5+ seconds after it turns red, and no one seems to care to solve it, but if they'd just station police at some worst-offender lights for a couple months to write tickets, people would catch on pretty quickly that it's not worth the risk. I have similar thoughts on people using t…

It’s amazing how effective even a slight amount of random law enforcement can be. Several of the hiking trails I frequent allow dogs but only on leash. Over time the number of dogs running around off leash grows until it’s nearly every dog you see. When the city starts putting someone at the trailhead at random times to write tickets for people coming down the trail with off-leash dogs suddenly most dogs are back on…

I completely agree. Here in DC, we have sporadic enforcement of things like fare evasion, reckless moped driving, unlicensed food trucks, and speeding on the shoulder of the highway. It definitely helps somewhat.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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It feels less fair though. When everyone is driving x mph over the limit but only you get pulled over, it sucks. So I agree for efficiency of enforcement, but I'd rather see 100% enforcement (automated if possible), with more warnings and lower penalties.

It doesn't just "feel" less fair, it often is -- bc it's not truly random, it's selective enforcement which leads to things like "driving while black".

Unpopular opinion, but I actually like traffic enforcement cameras. They don't know what race you are, and they never end up escalating to using lethal force.
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