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Re: Study mode

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Post by johnnyanmac »

maerch wrote: post #579
QuantumGood wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use the Monty Hall problem to test people in two steps. The second step is, after we discuss it and come up with a framing that they can understand, can they then explain it to a third person. The third person rarely understands, and the process of the explanation reveals how shallow the understanding of the second person is. The shallowest understanding of any similar process that I've usually experienced is an LL…

I am not sure how good your test really is. Or at least how high your bar is. Paul Erdös was told about this problem with multiple explanations and just rejected the answer. He could not believe it until they ran a simulation.

I don't know who Paul Erdös is, so this isn't useful information without considering why they rejected the answer and what counterarguments were provided. It is an unintuitive problem space to consider when approaching it as a simple probability problem, and not one where revealing new context changes the odds.

Re: Study mode

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Post by johnnyanmac »

everyone wrote: post #395
jacobedawson wrote: post #379

An underrated quality of LLMs as study partner is that you can ask "stupid" questions without fear of embarrassment. Adding in a mode that doesn't just dump an answer but works to take you through the material step-by-step is magical. A tireless, capable, well-versed assistant on call 24/7 is an autodidact's dream. I'm puzzled (but not surprised) by the standard HN resistance & skepticism. Learning something online 5…

Yeah, I've been a game-dev forever and had never built a web-app in my life (even in college) I recently completed my 1st web-app contract, and gpt was my teacher. I have no problem asking stupid questions, tbh asking stupid questions is a sign of intelligence imo. But where is there to even ask these days? Stack Overflow may as well not exist.

>Stack Overflow may as well not exist.

That mentality seems to be more to reinforce your insistance on ChatGPT, rather than an inquiry of communities to help you out.

Re: Study mode

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Post by johnnyanmac »

kuschku wrote: post #519
everyone wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I've been a game-dev forever and had never built a web-app in my life (even in college) I recently completed my 1st web-app contract, and gpt was my teacher. I have no problem asking stupid questions, tbh asking stupid questions is a sign of intelligence imo. But where is there to even ask these days? Stack Overflow may as well not exist.

> But where is there to even ask these days? Stack overflow? The IRC, Matrix or slack chats for the languages?

People like that never wanted to interact with anyone to begin with. And somehow they were too lazy to google the decades of articles until ChatGPT came in to save their lives.

Re: Study mode

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Post by yoyopa »

jacobedawson wrote: post #379

An underrated quality of LLMs as study partner is that you can ask "stupid" questions without fear of embarrassment. Adding in a mode that doesn't just dump an answer but works to take you through the material step-by-step is magical. A tireless, capable, well-versed assistant on call 24/7 is an autodidact's dream. I'm puzzled (but not surprised) by the standard HN resistance & skepticism. Learning something online 5…

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Re: Study mode

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Post by nilsherzig »

Google has this with their "leanlm" model https://services.google.com/fh/files/misc/learnlm_prompt_gui.... I really liked it, but sadly it tends to hallucinate a lot (at least with the topics from my math class). A lot more than other Gemini models, so that might just be a question of model size or something like that.

Re: Study mode

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Post by johnnyanmac »

dyauspitr wrote: post #500
jacobedawson wrote: post #379

An underrated quality of LLMs as study partner is that you can ask "stupid" questions without fear of embarrassment. Adding in a mode that doesn't just dump an answer but works to take you through the material step-by-step is magical. A tireless, capable, well-versed assistant on call 24/7 is an autodidact's dream. I'm puzzled (but not surprised) by the standard HN resistance & skepticism. Learning something online 5…

HN’s fear is the same job security fear we’ve been seen since the beginning of all this. You’ll see this on programming subs on Reddit as well.

Can we not criticize tech without being considered luddites anymore? I don't fear for my job over AI replacement, it is just fundamentally wrong on many answers.

In my field there is also the moral/legal implications of generative AI.

Re: Study mode

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Post by johnnyanmac »

jychang wrote: post #386
hammyhavoc wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There might not be any stupid questions, but there's plenty of perfectly confident stupid answers. https://www.reddit.com/r/LibreWolf/s/Wqc8XGKT5h

Yeah, this is why wikipedia is not a good resource and nobody should use it. Also why google is not a good resource, anybody can make a website. You should only trust going into a library and reading stuff from microfilm. That's the only real way people should be learning. /s

So, do you want to actually have a conversation comparing ChatGPT to Google and Wikipedia, or do you just want to strawman typical AI astroturfing arguments with no regard to the context above?

Ironic as you are answering someone who talked about correcting a human who blindly pasted an answer to their question with no human verification.

Re: Study mode

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Post by djdjsjejb »

jacobedawson wrote: post #379

An underrated quality of LLMs as study partner is that you can ask "stupid" questions without fear of embarrassment. Adding in a mode that doesn't just dump an answer but works to take you through the material step-by-step is magical. A tireless, capable, well-versed assistant on call 24/7 is an autodidact's dream. I'm puzzled (but not surprised) by the standard HN resistance & skepticism. Learning something online 5…

on hn i find most people here to be high iq low eq

high iq enough that they really find holes in the capabilities of LLMs in their industries

low eq enough that they only interpret it on their own experiences instead of seeing how other people's quality of life have improved

Re: Study mode

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Post by senko »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #65

An acquaintance of mine has a start-up in this space and uses OpenAI to do essentially the same thing. This must look like, and may well be, the guillotine for him... It's my primary fear building anything on these models, they can just come eat your lunch once it looks yummy enough. Tread carefully

This is actually a public validation for your friend's startup.

A proper learning tool will have history of conversation with the student, understand their knowledge level, have handcrafted curricula (to match whatever the student is supposed to learn), and be less susceptible to hallucination.

OpenAI have a bunch of other things to worry about and won't just pivot to this space.

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