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Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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I have two problems / questions with this: 1. This theory requires a parent universe that can't have been formed inside a black hole. This means there must a be second "universe creation" mechanism that we can / may never know about from our child universe. For me, this doesn't really answer the true question: "How did our universe begin?" Yeah, it may the "unknown field with strange properties" but instead we get an…

Your first statement right off the bat is a bit of an assumption, why can’t the parent universe also have been formed inside a black hole? Why did you assume that?

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Interesting read, but even if we assume the author is correct, and the cosmos formed as a black hole in a larger universe, the question remains, how did this larger universe formed, then? Might just be impossible to know.

If we wait until we understand everything perfectly before publishing, we’d never publish anything. That question may remain, but so do many others, this paper can’t address them all.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Can you cite your sources please?

Sabine Hossenfelder has a few comments on this topic in her YT channel.

Yeah, you see that's 100% not a citation, and shows why we need academia...

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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They have basically disproved Penrose-Hawking's theories of singularity? Isn't that like a pretty big deal? To people working in this field, what is the reaction to this paper?

They predict a non flat curvature, so no (not with existing data and measures, which may improve in the future).

Could you elaborate for a layman? Is there more to the following statements than it seems?

> Penrose proved that under very general conditions, gravitational collapse must lead to a singularity..... we show that gravitational collapse does not have to end in a singularity. We find an exact analytical solution – a mathematical result with no approximations

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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I fail to see how this doesn't lead to "every possible world". Maybe some edge cases are ruled out, but it seems to imply every possible world as far as what that means to the imagination.

It is constrained by whatever you take as the initial conditions. The quantum state of the universe is a specific and precise thing, as well as how it evolves over time. It can be taken as a vector in Hilbert space that evolves according to the Schrödinger equation. There is no implication that the resulting path will have it visit every point in Hilbert space, or that the slices of the wave function that represent i…

This sounds like "technically no but in practice yes". Like a TV screen cannot display all visible colors, but it's close enough that we consider the job done.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Atheists are people that don't bleieve there is a God. Agnostics are people who don't know they are atheists. -- Aron Ra

In practice, atheists are people who think they know there is no god. Agnostics are people who realize they don’t know much at all about anything related to the origins of things and realize they don’t want to hold unprovable dogmatic beliefs like the religious people do. I considered myself an atheist for most of my life. As I got older and learned more, this shifted. These days I consider myself agnostic. If atheis…

> In practice, atheists are people who think they know there is no god.

Many atheists find a verdict of "not guilty" on the charge "that god exists". It's the equivalent of saying "I don't believe you." That's about it.

Saying "god does not exist" is a claim that itself has a burden of proof. Most people agree there is no need to provide proof that fairies and unicorns don't exist. If you think they do: show your evidence. The default position is to think they don't exist.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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> I don't think the spacetime swap idea is particularly well explained though? What exactly do you mean by "spacetime swap idea"? If you're saying the behavior of Schwarzschild coordinates at the event horizon is not well-understood, then I disagree. There is nothing particularly weird or surprising going on, there's just a trapped surface[0]. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped_surface

The problem is probably connecting an image of a tilted causal cone at p near but outside a regularized r_s in Schwarzschild spacetime with the idea that from p there is a limited number of null geodesics escaping to the asymptotically flat region, that the fraction decreases with decreasing regularized r coordinate, and that from p' at the trapping surface there are no such null geodesics, as all non-spacelike curve…

Hi. Sorry to bother you here. Could you point out what error am I making in my, I believe, very simple objection?

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=scotty79&next=441240...

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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The problem is probably connecting an image of a tilted causal cone at p near but outside a regularized r_s in Schwarzschild spacetime with the idea that from p there is a limited number of null geodesics escaping to the asymptotically flat region, that the fraction decreases with decreasing regularized r coordinate, and that from p' at the trapping surface there are no such null geodesics, as all non-spacelike curve…

Hi. Sorry to bother you here. Could you point out what error am I making in my, I believe, very simple objection? https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=scotty79&next=441240...

tl;dr The farrrr-from-the-horizon part of Schwarzschild spacetime is just not like our spacetime. Only near and outside the horizon (or better, in the absence of a horizon) does Schwarzschild become a decent physical approximation for anything in our universe.

Schwarzschild infinity is unphysical, while your notion of t(Earth) is physical because we can associate a worldline with the planet's centre of mass (COM), hold the COM at the spatial origin of a system of spacetime coordinates, and use whatever "timestamps" we like on the time axis. But we could decide that t(Earth)=infinity could be yesterday, or tomorrow, or a billion years ago, or a couple billion years from now; if we count of seconds before or after t(Earth)=infinity, we still have t'(Earth)=infinity, so it's not a very good choice of coordinate.

I think you have a misunderstanding that is probably beyond my ability to help you with, since we can't do interactive blackboard work in HN comments. The root of your problem seems to be mis-identifying the local time at Earth with the Schwarzschild time at infinity in the Schwarzschild solution. We aren't at infinity to any known black hole: between us and the most distant black holes we know of is expanding spacetime not found in Schwarzschild's solution; betwee us and the nearest black holes is substantially and lumpily curved spacetime and plenty of matter unlike Schwarzschild's unique pointlike mass surrounded by non-lumpy matterless vacuum; none of the astrophysical black holes are infinitely old today (whereas Schwarzchild black holes are infinitely old at every time, otherwise the spacetime would not be static); and in general exact solutions of the Einstein Field Equations -- even ones that are not eternal -- do not superpose cleanly with solutions for other black holes (and crucially there are no black hole mergers in Schwarzschild), ordinary stars, galaxies, clusters, and expanding spacetime. As an example: hover just above the apparent horizon of Sagittarius A*. Look at a stellar black hole in our galaxy. What do you make of infallers plunging towards the smaller black hole? What do you make of the evolution of mass of the stellar black hole, from your vantage point hugging an SMBH's horizon?

Short of taking a series of courses or finding an informal short-term tutor to walk you through particular things (you can find either at your local tertiary education school, like a community college or university), there are plenty of good textbooks on General Relativity. You seem to have found Wald's, which is probably the most rigorously and densely mathematical of several popular teaching choices, and it does not seem to have helped you. I'd guess you'd be better off with e.g. Carroll's Spacetime and Geometry or Wheeler's Gravity and Spacetime.

There is also the Israel-Darmois thin shell method, which is technically annoying but lets us cut the central part of an e.g. Schwarzschild solution and paste it into a cosmology populated with other such pasted-in subregions. We can then trace light rays from e.g. a quasar, across early expanding space to a SMBH or elliptical galaxy acting as a gravitational lens, and then across later expanding space to an approximation of our neighbourhood, adapting the rays at each shell boundary. Although there is very definitely a subregion of black hole solution in that kind of approach, the asymptotically flat part of Schwarzschild is cut away along with its distant infinities. One can compare this cutting and pasting to the Hill sphere of influence of Jupiter and those of its satellites, for example, if one were interested in a navigational plan like Juno's or JUICE's.

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