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Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by jjav »

fjfaase wrote: post #583
jpster wrote: post #542

I suspect it would be a good idea if the US abolished the presidency and moved to a parliamentary system. Turns out that concentrating so much power in a single position is a bad idea.

The president has all the power that the congress and the senate gives him. Previous presidents were not given this much power. The bad guys are in the congress and the senate for not upholding the constitution.

I think the current state of affair has exposed a fundamental bug in the consitution. Sure, the US has three branches of government that are supposed to be checks and balances on each other. Which has, mostly, worked really great.

But turns out there is no way to enforce this. If we get a president that doesn't care about any of this and is happy to ignore everyone else, there isn't actually any way to enforce the separation of duties of the three branches.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by latexr »

msm_ wrote: post #429
latexr wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am genuinely at a loss at how his supporters don't understand this. His supporters value blind loyalty and obedience, not logic. They don’t stand for themselves, they stand against others. They’ll gladly suffer if they think the other side is getting it worse. They’re the perfect target to be exploited.

Do you have a source for that? I hear that sentiment expressed often by Americans I meet here, but I never saw anyone explicitly saying "yes, I/we value blind loyalty". Is blind loyalty something Trump followers officially identify with?

> I hear that sentiment expressed often by Americans I meet here

I am not American.

> but I never saw anyone explicitly saying "yes, I/we value blind loyalty".

Not only do they show it through actions, they talk about it constantly. All you need are the keywords “Trump loyalty” and you get more examples than you know what to do with.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/06/donald-tr...

> “I value loyalty above everything else—more than brains, more than drive and more than energy,” Trump once said. […]

> According to people who know him well, Trump’s definition of loyalty is blunt. “Support Donald Trump in anything he says and does,” […] “No matter what,” […] “Or else,” […] “I think he defines it as allegiance,” […] “And it’s not allegiance to the flag or allegiance to the country—it’s allegiance to Trump.”

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by belter »

randunel wrote: post #594
jopsen wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even universal tariffs with no exceptions is a problem. Many things cross US/Canada/Mexico border in the process being manufactured. And tariffs will stack up. Many advanced products (tech/chip, etc) are not entirely made in any single place. Some stuff is imported, and some is exported again, and tariffing the world, will also make the world tariff you. I think this is all around bad. Best case scenario the US has e…

> Can EU countries buy US military equipment, when it turns out that the US will withhold support for equipment we've bought and paid for, in order to pressure a democracy, fighting for its existence, into surrender. Why would anyone buy US military equipment that's either "10%" handicapped on purpose, or remotely disabled whenever the US changes its feelings about the users of said military equipment?

"“We like to tone them down about 10 percent, which probably makes sense because someday maybe they’re not our allies, right?”"

   - Trump

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by [deleted] »

graycat wrote: post #618

Computers and China? Hmm .... For my next computer, e.g., for a Web server, considering an AMD processor, Gigabyte mother board, Western Digital disks (rotating and/or solid state), main memory, video display, etc. Just checked, none of that comes from China!!! The businesses are in Taiwan, South Korea, the US. Manufacturing is in Taiwan, Thailand, Malaysia, South Korea. The processor design, the US. The equipment fo…

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Post by actualwitch »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #532
freejazz wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if Trump wants it to not seem back-handed to create a scheme to force companies to come to him to negotiate, he should be open about it then

I wasn't talking about Trump specifically, or even conservatives. Everyone on both sides automatically thinks the worst about everyone on the other side these days, usually just to score some internet points. It's a terrible way to go through life. We should show a little grace sometimes.

This dumb bothsiderism take is exactly the reason for the shitstorm hitting US right now. People really need to stop sane washing everything he says and try to actually have an objective glance at him and take him for who he is: a con man. He made a majority of conservatives as goddamn fools, voting against their own best interests because he said he'll punish the right people. Spoiler alert: he instead concentrated power in his own hands, dismantled research and social nets and is well on his way to wrecking middle class and the rights of the workers. Until this simple fact is acknowledged, every Trump voter is complicit in making this happen.

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Post by paganel »

melagonster wrote: post #626
righthand wrote: post #95

Why is no one highlighting how this is repeating history 8 years ago? I don’t get it, there’s this magical reporting gap where all of this is new strategy but it’s the exact same strategy. Why don’t we acknowledge this instead of searching for some new angle? Here are a bunch of links from 2018/2019: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/13/apple-dodges-iphone-tariff-a... https://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/investing/t052-s00…

Because last time the US government required alliances to participate in the trade war. Maybe it is not rational, but the US is the leader, so most countries just thought, 'Ok, if you really need it...'. But this time, the trade war is against the whole world. Everyone is confused.

> But this time, the trade war is against the whole world.

Reminds me of this excellent Norm Macdonald sketch [1] on Germany of which I've learned only recently.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXdtafGdIVM

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Post by NamTaf »

YZF wrote: post #554
jpster wrote: post #542

I suspect it would be a good idea if the US abolished the presidency and moved to a parliamentary system. Turns out that concentrating so much power in a single position is a bad idea.

You still often have one man with all the power in a parliamentary system. The Prime Minister. Take Canada as an example. JT had basically complete power over government. It's as rate for the prime minister party or coalition to go against him as it is for a president in the US to be impeached. I think the trick has to be to just get better people into those positions. Which means better people need to have some ince…

Australia's favourite spectator sport is not, in fact, cricket or AFL, but rather watching government knife their PM whenever the political winds change direction. In the last 8 years, 4 PMs have been rolled before they've reached an election, because the party loses confidence in them.

Many parliamentary systems wherein a PM is elected by the cabinet routinely demonstrate that they will use their power to remove a leader in whom they've lost confidence.

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Post by sethammons »

YZF wrote: post #554
jpster wrote: post #542

I suspect it would be a good idea if the US abolished the presidency and moved to a parliamentary system. Turns out that concentrating so much power in a single position is a bad idea.

You still often have one man with all the power in a parliamentary system. The Prime Minister. Take Canada as an example. JT had basically complete power over government. It's as rate for the prime minister party or coalition to go against him as it is for a president in the US to be impeached. I think the trick has to be to just get better people into those positions. Which means better people need to have some ince…

Any time the trick is to get humans "to just do" $thing, that $thing wont happen. Because humans.

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Post by polski-g »

steveBK123 wrote: post #99

So we are exempting all the tech transfer & natsec risk items but maintaining new embargo-level tariffs on cameras, children's toys, and t-shirts. Makes a lot of sense if you don't think about it.

American children yearn to work in a sock factory.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by re-thc »

Animats wrote: post #372

Since last night, anyway. The people who make shipping work are frantically trying to keep up. One of the biggest customs brokers posts updates twice a day on weekdays. Last update 4 PM Friday, so they haven't caught the biggest reversal. If tariff rates change while in transit, the bond paid before the item was shipped may now be insufficient. So the container goes into storage (where?) until Customs and Border Prot…

> Consumer version: expect to see some empty shelves, rejected orders, and higher prices for the next few weeks.

Make that the next few years at this rate.

> Customs and Border Protection is trying to keep up.

There are still people there? DOGE hasn't hit them up?

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