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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by tim-kt »

mmooss wrote: post #577
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is not the same there as it is here. It's not just a fun app you use, it's a huge part of how African and Asian countries interface with the internet. Trying to lead a group effort to leave the platform wouldn't work at any scale other than complete unanimity, and you're going to have trouble reaching that with the people benefiting from weaponizing Facebook.

> Facebook is not the same there as it is here. It's not just a fun app you use, it's a huge part of how African and Asian countries interface with the internet. Could you give a little more detail about what that means?

At least in Africa, Facebook is responsible for a large part of internet accessibility. One can say that, in Africa, "Facebook is the internet" [0]. I can't comment on Asia.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/20/facebook-...

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by breppp »

someotherperson wrote: post #338
breppp wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HRW is a "complicated" organization. It took money from Saudis in return for not advocating for LGBT rights in the middle east [1]. It agreed to take money from the Qatari government, a government that also supports Hamas [2][3] and is involved in corruption cases and buying of politicians all over the world. [1] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/human-rights-watch-took-... [2] https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle…

This feels like a dog whistle rather than providing something substantive. The Israeli government also helped facilitate Qatar's support for Hamas[0], what's your point here? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#Isra...

The Israeli government allowed transfer of Qatari money to Hamas as a mean to buy quiet, stemmed from the belief Hamas is a rational organization that strives to improve Palestinian life through its government of the Gaza Strip, an awful mistake.

Qatar however is a supporter of the islamist Muslim Brotherhood ideology behind Hamas, financier and a host for most of its leadership.

Furthermore involved in other terror financing in the region such as the Taliban, IRGC and Al-Qaeda [1][2].

My point here is the HRW has shown before to be corrupted and flexible with their ethics in relation to the middle east, and there is evidence it took money from Qatar, a country deeply involved in this conflict and in the past used bribery in corruption to influence western politics [3]

[1] https://thearabweekly.com/ahmadinejad-reveals-qatar-paid-ran...

[2] https://www.iar-gwu.org/print-archive/an-analysis-of-qatari-...

[3] https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-qatargat...

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by breppp »

jmathai wrote: post #337
breppp wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HRW was caught in the past soliciting donations from Saudis in return for restricting their Middle East reporting [1] Project Raven, a UAE offensive cyber operation has leaked a document by the Qatar government concerning financing of HRW [2][3] [1] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/human-rights-watch-took-... [2] https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/1700763578-human-... [3] https://www.memri.org/reports/rave…

Thanks for sharing. I don't personally see how those disqualify the information in the article though.

I see very little evidence by the HRW research, just an appeal to the authority of a human rights organization ability for impartial investigation.

However, I am calling that impartially into question due to evidence pointing otherwise

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by michaelsshaw »

bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

Defending yourself from genocide is not terrorism

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by buyucu »

bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by michaelsshaw »

YZF wrote: post #540
botanical wrote: post #502

If Apartheid South Africa could last just a little bit longer, they would still be an apartheid state like Israel is today. Western media is just as complicit in this genocide as the fascists in charge of the Israeli government. And media are self-censoring which is reprehensible. The idea of Hamas wouldn't exist if Gaza (and the West Bank) wasn't occupied by land, air and sea; their land stolen on a daily basis, and…

Palestinian violence predates the 1967 and 1948. Also Gaza wasn't occupied since Israel left it in 2005. Here's is one example from 1954 when Israel did not control Gaza or the West Bank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27ale_Akrabim_massacre "The Ma'ale Akrabim massacre, known in English as the Scorpions Pass Massacre, was an attack on an Israeli passenger bus, carried out on 17 March 1954, in the middle of the day…

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by michaelsshaw »

YZF wrote: post #563
defrost wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you remind us whether this bus attack in which 11 people died came before or after the 1948-1949 Plan Dalet during which over 500 Arab villages were destroyed or depopulated by military forces under the direction of later first prime minister of Israel David Ben-Gurion? The plan's tactics involved laying siege to Palestinian Arab villages, bombing neighbourhoods of cities, forced expulsion of their inhabitants, a…

Why are we moving the goal posts? Parent claims the violence is simply due to: "The idea of Hamas wouldn't exist if Gaza (and the West Bank) wasn't occupied by land, air and sea; their land stolen on a daily basis, and Palestinian people treated as subhuman animals." This is not true. And this is what I'm addressing in my reply. We can litigate 1948 as well. Plenty of Palestinian violence pre-1948. Their refusal to a…

All military actions made by oppressed peoples is legitimate resistance and your framing of Palestinians as instigators is troubling.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by earnestinger »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

Technically, they are the same. As in: people with power want to control the narrative.

This was so, is so and will always be so, everywhere.

But but but… details matter. A lot.

The west has traditions how and when to apply power, which is distinctly different from Russia.

I hand-pick two illustrations of Russia:

1. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/27/moscow-police-accu...

> Officers “beat up Kamardin very badly and stuck a dumbbell in his anus,” according to Novaya Gazeta Europe.

2. Bald man claim to power was accompanies with mysterious explosions of apartment buildings after which Chechens were declared enemies and war started.

Some interesting bits from wikipedia:

> Three Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) agents who had planted the devices at Ryazan were arrested by the local police.[6] The next day, FSB director Nikolai Patrushev announced that the incident in Ryazan had been an anti-terror drill and the device found there contained only sugar, and freed the FSB agents involved.[7]

And

> 13 September 1999: Russian Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov makes an announcement about the bombing of an apartment building in the city of Volgodonsk that only takes place three days later

> 16 September 1999: Bombing in Volgodonsk, 17 are killed, 69 injured

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombi...

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