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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by NicuCalcea »

danenania wrote: post #301
scoofy wrote: post #154

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Many if not most websites are paid for by eyeballs not by get requests. A bot is a bot is a bot. Respect robots.txt or expect to have your IPs banned.

It may not be very long before the big majority of web searches are via AI. If that happens, blocking AI will mean blocking most people too. You’d already be blocking me as I’d guess I now search via AI >90% of the time between perplexity, chatgpt, deep research, and google search AI.

> blocking AI will mean blocking most people too

If that's websites want, they should have that option.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by dataflow »

_heimdall wrote: post #567
dataflow wrote: post #426

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> a majority share of any capital increase will go towards prices rather than supply You actually made my point, I think: that the price increase need not necessarily be "roughly in line with that", but could be less. This distinction is absolutely critical. Like I said in [1], if you put $3k in my pocket, and my expenses increase by $2k, that's a very different situation from if my expenses grow by $3k. It would mea…

When I said "in line" I didn't mean 1:1 or 100%. I may have picked a bad phrase there, I was intending to say that there would be a strong correlation between the two and that a majority of the extra Monet would go towards price increases. I forget the general rule when it comes to companies, but there's a general percentage that is often how much a price increase on a company is passed on to consumers. If a company'…

> When I said "in line" I didn't mean 1:1 or 100%. I may have picked a bad phrase there, I was intending to say that there would be a strong correlation between the two and that a majority of the extra Monet would go towards price increases.

If so, then explain how you're making the jump from "prices increase some" to "you would need Marx style price controls" or "otherwise UBI will fail to cover the necessities"? If you give me $X and I spend $X * r of it due to price increases, and r I don't get why "prices increase" is seen as such a mic-drop phrase that shows the system would fall apart. Prices already increase for all sorts of reasons, it's not like the economy falls apart every time or we somehow add Marx style price controls every time. Sure, prices increase some here too. And then what? The sky falls?

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by andai »

tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

>top results are blogspam

It gets even better. When I first tested this feature in Bard, it gave me an obviously wrong answer. But it provided two references. Which turned out to be AI generated web pages.

Oddly enough in my own Googles I could not even find those pages in the results.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by mstaoru »

andreygrehov wrote: post #561

Two things. 1. I generally prefer that an LLM not search the web. The top N results are often either SEO spam, excessively long articles created solely to rank well, or long-established websites that gained authority years ago, when Google's crawler and ranking algorithms were less sophisticated. 2. Web search by LLMs is likely here to stay, so I'm curious whether there's an agent-friendly web format. For example, wh…

You already answered #2 with #1. The standard will be gamed.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by rank0 »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #496
rank0 wrote: post #374

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This is not a fully solvable problem. Especially if the goal is to provide the above for any location. You can do more harm than good by implementing policies like “guaranteed free money”.

Literally every. single. study. run. says otherwise. https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/12/22/9459?ref=scottsantens.c...

History is littered with failed nation-states promising to end poverty.

Spawning money creates nothing.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by orangecat »

_heimdall wrote: post #570
LinXitoW wrote: post #554

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We already have "Marx-style" price control and regulations in many sectors, specifically food production. It's just that the advantages are arbitraged away by corporations using cheap corn to create highly addictive foods, and lobbying and marketing with the resultant profits. But I also disagree with your assertion. Minimum wage increases are a great example. Opponents will constantly claim they will lead to massive…

> We already have "Marx-style" price control and regulations in many sectors, specifically food production. And our food quality in the US is garbage. We can't say if there is causation there since we can't compare against a baseline US food system without subsidies, but there is a correlation in timing between the increase in food subsidies and the decrease in quality. > Opponents will constantly claim they will lea…

You could also argue the ratio, maybe wage is increased by 30% and prices are only expected to go up by 20%.

And the point is that the income percentage increase is higher for those with lower incomes. Even if prices go up by 20%, somebody making $20k/year who gets an additional $10k from UBI is going to be much better off.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by sshine »

sumeno wrote: post #622
sshine wrote: post #598

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> His gesture was _exactly_ like Hitler's. Hitler's was unlike the general population's, as it had a bend to it. You can bend reality all you like, but the intent of giving the Hitler salute was not there, as he has said. He's not secretly a nazi, and he's not openly a nazi. He's right-wing, yes. That's not illegal, and it happens to be the majority vote in the US. The most reasonable criticism is calling it a Roman…

The amount of mental gymnastics people will go through because they like a white supremacist is nuts

The amount of mental gymnastics people will go through because they dislike a controversial billionaire is nuts

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

sshine wrote: post #601
tim333 wrote: post #583

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There is video of him doing a heart to the crowd thing. It's quite different from his nazi salute.

He said “My heart got out to all of you.” If he had said “SIEG HEIL!” I would totally be on your side. But it was plain old American English, and it was about love.

It’s a lost cause. He didn’t make such a salute but that doesn’t stop people from seeing what they want to believe.

Extreme political tribalism is absolutely destroying human discourse.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by sshine »

Sammi wrote: post #575
sshine wrote: post #466

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Also, if you call everyone a nazi, all you have is nazi bars. I was called a nazi last week for driving a Tesla, and I have Jewish ancestry. The word hardly makes any sense.

In this case you aren't being called a nazi because of your ancestry. You're being called a nazi for supporting the car brand of a nazi. It does make sense. A lot of people who definitely were not intending to be nazies are driving swasticars, because they didn't know about how nazi the car company owner was. But here we are. You definitely know now. What you do now matters.

That is absolute bonkers.

I hope you’re having fun, because that kind of logic won’t lead you anywhere where people get paid to reason.

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