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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by Workaccount2 »

ddxv wrote: post #475
yuppii wrote: post #469

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What lie are you talking about? That he supports far right parties? That he did some kind of gesture which the video looks like a Nazi salute but he says was just the my heart goes out to you gesture? Neither seem to be that the OP was lying, but I understand you have a different opinion than they do.

OP said he did a Nazi Salute. He did not do a Nazi salute.

He did something that people who fetishize the downfall of their enemy desperately want to be Nazi salute, so they call it that, but it was not a nazi salute.

If it was he would have said so, since at that point you are basically showing the world you are a nazi. But that is not what happened.

People really don't take their credibility seriously, and will cry wolf at anything that moves, seriously undermining any argument they make.

There are ample ways to hate on Elon using factually true things he has done. Sticking to those makes your arguments rock solid, and keeps your credibility high. So much is wasted by idiots slinging smoke because it makes themselves feel right.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by jtrn »

KerrAvon wrote: post #597
InTheArena wrote: post #590

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Elon's unchecked power at building a model? Or at politics? I always worry whenever I see people telling me how to feel - rage in this case. We are in a political system that is oriented more around getting people to feel rage and hatred as opposed to consensus and deliberation. Elon is the face of that, but it's a much longer and larger problem. Throw in the complete dismisal that anyone not scared of this is ignora…

Has it occurred to you that the people who feel rage fundamentally understand the situation, and you may be undereducated in this area? What do you think are the root causes of that “senseless partisan drive”? I’d suggest starting with Rick Perlman’s book “Nixonland” if you’re interested.

Has it occurred to you that nothing is more powerful for coming up with intellectual arguments than a strong driving emotion?

Yes, rage might be the appropriate and response given the situation. But it’s often true that it starts with an emotion, and then people just argue from there. Even while being wrong. Just look at all the people with contradictory opinions in history, both with strong, emotional rage, and and equally certain of their connection. Throwing the fact that people actually has a tendency to want to be angry.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by eightysixfour »

EGreg wrote: post #619
ijustlovemath wrote: post #573

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What's remarkable to me about criticism like this is how quickly it's rebutted by people claiming "where did they say they would do this," as if these people don't make incredibly rushed and poorly planned decisions all the time. It's like an idea immune system that rejects any criticism or self reflection. It would be sociologically fascinating if it wasn't being combined with a dereliction of congressional power an…

I literally post for years the same thing about the need for open source alternatives to social platforms where 1 person controls the algorithm to prioritize what a billion people see. And the response is “meh”. No one even bothers to read past the first paragraph: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43036350 But if you really want to see the “immune system” shine, mention web3 and smart contracts, and watch the dow…

Or, people have different opinions about who should have power over social media, banking, and AI, for completely rational reasons…

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by llm_trw »

_heimdall wrote: post #530
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

I'm not sure how LLMs/AI couldn't consolidate power. By design, it will move power from the individual to those running the AI systems.

Because the difference between a model that costs 10 million to train and a model that costs 10 billion to train is 6 months.

Deepseek R1 is something that you can run in a garage on hardware that the average software engineer can buy with a months salary and when it came out last month it was better than _every_ other model.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by giancarlostoro »

qingcharles wrote: post #59
rendang wrote: post #10

Grok has gotten to the top of one benchmark: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1891706264800936307 It's been said before but it is great news for consumers that there's so much competition in the LLM space. If it's hard for any one player to get daylight between them & the 2nd best alternative, hopefully that means one monopolistic firm isn't going to be sucking up all the value created by these things

I've spent the last hour testing it and I'm blown away. And this is coming from a very hardcore user of OpenAI/Claude products on a daily basis. It passed every goofy test I have for writing articles which involves trying to surface arcane obscure details. (it certainly means however they are scraping the Web they are doing a good job here) It made the database code I wrote over the last week with o3/o1/GPT4o/Claude3…

For whatever it is worth, I frequently enough see the devs asking for feedback, so I suspect, if you tweet about Grok, or reply to any of those threads, they definitely read them, even if they don't respond / interact. It shows. I've seen improvements based on feedback I see others make almost instantly.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by imgabe »

KronisLV wrote: post #586
imgabe wrote: post #561

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There is precisely zero mention of any plan to put xAI or any other LLM in any safety critical or decision making process. How long? Nobody knows because nobody is even considering it. Take your pointless fear mongering elsewhere.

3rd party example: https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/11/ai-with-90-error-rate... No comment about current US politics, but it’s probably a given that many will read “A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision.” and drop the second part because the first is exactly what they want. Same as how you can’t get in touch with human support on many platforms nowaday…

“It bolsters my argument to assume this thing is true so it’s a given that it’s true”. Cool. Good job.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by cynicalpeace »

angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

> it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power.

The check on this is the market. Don't understand your point other than "Elon bad"

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by rtkwe »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #623

It blows my mind that Musk hasn't integrated Grok as an app inside their vehicles. A literal AI copilot is a completely novel and killer app that cannot be pulled off by any other vehicle manufacturer.

Getting them to actually do something useful other than generating text is still a work in progress. What do you envision them actually doing in this integration?
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