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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by jeremyjh »

sixQuarks wrote: post #545
jeremyjh wrote: post #492

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This is what is in front of our eyes: https://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/timeline.html Maybe yours see something different.

You're looking at the wrong stuff.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfX8Lu9MHa0

Right. I'm looking at demonstrated competence in operating a Robotaxi service in the real world, backed by statistical data. You are looking at a video of a Waymo taxi stuck in traffic next to a video of a Tesla that is not. I have no idea how many takes were required for either of those videos. Please respond to the substance of the milestones in the links I shared - why is 100k miles per incident "the wrong stuff" ?

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by jeremyjh »

sixQuarks wrote: post #546
gitfan86 wrote: post #488

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Yes that is what i'm saying but people still have the "I HATE ELON" blinders on and can't think for themselves.

It's so funny to see the mental gymnastics and just plain ignorance. We literally have videos of FSD V13 doing basically what Waymo does (and more - like highway driving), yet they all have their heads in the sand.

Its so funny to see Elmo stans fap to literally anything produced by the God Emperor rather than pay attention to the actual facts on the ground. Tesla has a track record of 10 years of broken promises, and frankly out-right lies about the capability of their product.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by mrguyorama »

alwejrlaw wrote: post #284
jcgrillo wrote: post #241

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If you're going to block off lanes and install sensors why not just lay track and use streetcars? Rail is way more efficient. This has been a solved problem for the better part of two centuries.

As much as I love urban rail, its usefulness scales in direct proportion to population density. Europe has >2x the population density of the US. Japan has 10x the population density of the US. Rail for transit just doesn't make as much sense for the US. It works in a few of our densest cities, but nowhere else. Buses are cheaper, simpler, and easier than rail, but also are useful in proportion to density.

This has always been a bullshit claim. The US HAD good urban rail infrastructure back when we were less dense and had half as many people total.

Even if the claim (you need Europe density) wasn't trivially false, several parts of the US DO meet that level of density and could easily support good public infrastructure.

Or do you not know that in the early 1900s nearly every city had copious public transportation that was relied on by literally everyone in the city?

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by Kirby64 »

LegitShady wrote: post #502
gwbas1c wrote: post #498

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> Interest in autonomous driving appears to be cooling across the board. I've had one Tesla for 6 years, another for 2: I've gotten to a point where I find Autopilot boring and turn it off just for something to do. My older Tesla has enhanced Autopilot. As impressive as it is, it's very glitchy. I primarily use it so I don't speed. Because enhanced autopilot was so glitchy, when we added a 2nd Tesla to the household,…

self driving makes total sense if its the sci-fi like dream of being able to read the news or a novel in the drivers seat while your car safely takes you to your destination. But if I have to maintain a hand on the steering wheel and monitor the car I may as well be driving.

Any of the advanced lane keeping systems are immensely helpful for lowering fatigue, especially on longer drives. I think it's quite hard to recognize how fatiguing it is to constantly make sure your car is centered in the lane with small hand movements. In my experience, long car rides are substantially less fatiguing when I just have to 'oversee' the car, rather than fully drive it.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by danans »

ls612 wrote: post #617
danans wrote: post #580

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> to become proven the AV needs to drive somewhere for a while. There's a straightforward solution to this that doesn't compromise public safety: Employ paid training drivers who monitor the AV while it is collecting training data in environments where it does not yet meet the safety bar. These drivers are paid to be observant and intervene to avoid accidents. Furthermore, in their interventions, these training drive…

Uber did exactly that and got excoriated when the paid driver was on her phone and the car killed someone on the freeway. I think many people raising are concern trolling this because they either don’t want private cars in favor of public transportation or because they are luddites towards automation of driving jobs.

> Uber did exactly that and got excoriated when the paid driver was on her phone and the car killed someone on the freeway.

This is what Waymo does also.

Perhaps Uber should have been more careful whom they hire, or put stronger controls on what they are allowed to do in the car.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by gitfan86 »

jeremyjh wrote: post #632
sixQuarks wrote: post #546

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It's so funny to see the mental gymnastics and just plain ignorance. We literally have videos of FSD V13 doing basically what Waymo does (and more - like highway driving), yet they all have their heads in the sand.

Its so funny to see Elmo stans fap to literally anything produced by the God Emperor rather than pay attention to the actual facts on the ground. Tesla has a track record of 10 years of broken promises, and frankly out-right lies about the capability of their product.

I've made millions of dollars and my car drives me around today because of Elon. I'm not sure why you think I should hate the guy like you do?

Because a Tweet from 2016 wasn't accurate?

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by sixQuarks »

standardUser wrote: post #597
sixQuarks wrote: post #482

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You have it wrong buddy. Tesla is the one that needs competition, they’re going to have a robotaxi monopoly soon.

Tesla hasn't even launched a pilot program. Cruise has actual commercial road hours logged and Waymo has a fully operational commercial service that keeps expanding. Tesla has a LOT of catching up to do. Cities won't just let them launch a service on a whim. It's going to take years to catch up.

We shall see…

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by sixQuarks »

gitfan86 wrote: post #636
jeremyjh wrote: post #632

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Its so funny to see Elmo stans fap to literally anything produced by the God Emperor rather than pay attention to the actual facts on the ground. Tesla has a track record of 10 years of broken promises, and frankly out-right lies about the capability of their product.

I've made millions of dollars and my car drives me around today because of Elon. I'm not sure why you think I should hate the guy like you do? Because a Tweet from 2016 wasn't accurate?

Lmao, I’m in the exact same situation as you.

These people probably have never even tried FSD. They have no idea

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

genewitch wrote: post #201
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #122

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Are you from Houston originally, by chance, or from a part of western Louisiana? Anytime I hear the word “feeder” it’s a dead giveaway the person either grew up near Houston area or hung around there long enough to use this word in their lexicon

Nope! I'm from the state where i had to consciously not type "the 5, the 10" - California. I've lived in Louisiana for 12 years, total, now, though. I couldn't think of a better name for like the 405 or 710 than "feeders" - maybe tributary; i know there is a term of art for those freeways, though.

“Frontage” is the nomenclature I usually see in lieu of “feeder”. Though I agree that feeder is more descriptive of what the road actually does when we consider a road as being as a network or graph with flow.

Though the roads you reference would probably not be called “feeders” in the same way. I take feeder specifically in the Houstonian meaning to refer to a frontage road that is used for local access that runs parallel to a limited access highway. Notably it must run parallel to the highway and exist for the primary purpose of providing local ingress and egress while preserving the limited access nature of the highway.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by jcgrillo »

floxy wrote: post #623
jcgrillo wrote: post #621

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Right, what I'm saying is in such a scenario I only actually need power if I'm not home and it's below freezing.

Ah. I think lots of other people would like to keep their refrigerator and freezer and appliances running in the event of multi-day power outages when they are at home, even when it is not freezing (like in Florida, for example).

Sure, but if you're already going to make the investment in the grid cutoff, inverter, etc then the fact the car could in principle act as a battery/generator is a little gimmicky. Might as well also get a generator (or battery if you've already got solar). Then it works automatically whether you're there or not.
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