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Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by jwells89 »

divan wrote: post #530
jwells89 wrote: post #314

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I can’t imagine using Flutter for desktop development if only because like most newer UI frameworks, it’s mobile focused and doesn’t come with important desktop widgets like tableviews/datagrids and treeviews.

There are plenty, though, and they work amazingly well on desktop: https://pub.dev/packages/syncfusion_flutter_datagrid

Depending on widgets external to the toolkit is a no-go for me. It unnecessarily bloats dependencies and there’s a high risk of the widget eventually being abandoned.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by robertlagrant »

satvikpendem wrote: post #537
robertlagrant wrote: post #529

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I'm not quite sure why this was downvoted. It's true.

It's because while it's true on the company side, this comment is making it seem as if the company is doing this against their users' will, while in reality, most users genuinely want a unified experience across platforms for their apps, as seen by some of the comments here.

It doesn't seem to mention it being done against anyone's will. It's definitely true that a company can save money by only needing to maintain one set of help instruction screenshots, for example.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by Kiro »

mirzap wrote: post #564
divan wrote: post #233

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Sure, but not every cross-platform app developer wants their app to look "native to iOS". Especially if you want your app to look the same on all platforms and/or have some creative design.

Developers who think that way have no clue what their users want. Most iOS users want a native experience, not something else. When I see an app that doesn't have that, I quickly lose interest. Having the app look the same on all platforms is a dumb idea to start with.

Funny how you are calling people clueless while being confidently incorrect. You're in absolute minority.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by jklinger410 »

deergomoo wrote: post #215
divan wrote: post #120

> We describe Flock as "Flutter+". In other words, we do not want, or intend, to fork the Flutter community. Flock will remain constantly up to date with Flutter. That was the first fear when I saw the title - splitting community and having two incompatible versions. Good to see it addressed in the post. The second was just a fear of how it would complicate the development process, but it seems to be a drop-in replac…

> Most people don't realize how many apps written in Flutter they use daily, simply because it's impossible to tell You can't be serious. Maybe on Android, but on other platforms—especially iOS—they stick out like a sore thumb. A number of them just look like Material Design Android apps awkwardly transplanted over, but I know that's down to the developer so I won't hold that against Flutter. But scrolling through th…

> You can't be serious.

Please keep your comments civil

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by insin »

jamil7 wrote: post #628
deergomoo wrote: post #215

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> Most people don't realize how many apps written in Flutter they use daily, simply because it's impossible to tell You can't be serious. Maybe on Android, but on other platforms—especially iOS—they stick out like a sore thumb. A number of them just look like Material Design Android apps awkwardly transplanted over, but I know that's down to the developer so I won't hold that against Flutter. But scrolling through th…

I noticed the SNCF Connect app for France's rail was using it in their showcase which explains why the scroll views are so weird and busted feeling. They still stutter on a new iPhone. As a native iOS developer I'm somewhat biased and a lot of people likely don't care but it still feels off to me even for apps that use a complete custom design. I hope they can optmise away those kind of issues more as it's IMO always…

You still have to deal with the Android build system, `flutter new` just generates initial config for it and all the other necessary metadata (and that config can change between versions - I ended up manually diffing the generated stuff against a new app every time I upgraded).

At some point I made the mistake of not touching the code for too long and upgrading Android Studio when suggested, and I was never able to (find the time needed to) get that app working again.

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Post by naasking »

milch wrote: post #382
pastage wrote: post #374

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You have to listen to the details, like "where is the back button", "Why does text work differently". There are some people that understand that it is different from the standard, but most just get annoyed. The discussion here is from a technical perspective why it is better, conformity of the app on different platforms vs standard behavior between different apps. There are very few people that care about the technic…

I'd also like to meet all these mythical users that have devices from every platform and want all their apps to look the same across all platforms. 99% of people I know IRL are in one ecosystem, with the exception of some that have an iPhone/iPad + Windows PC

> I'd also like to meet all these mythical users that have devices from every platform and want all their apps to look the same across all platforms.

It's not even a single person that has them, but I think we have all had the experience of family or friends that need assistance with something but they have a different type of phone whose organization and workflow is completely different because it's native. You literally can't help in this scenario without having physical access to the device.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by alias_neo »

refulgentis wrote: post #113
999900000999 wrote: post #73

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Thank you for creating my favorite app framework. That said, I literally only use Flutter as a hobbyist. I made a basic web game for a friend, and a small web app that helps me manage my music lyric videos. I ultimately picked Flutter because I find it easier than actually building websites. Dart is amazing. But I'm not deploying to millions of users. At most 10 people have seen my Flutter apps. It's VERY good for cr…

on behalf of one of the Flutter founders, thank you for the thank yous. I bet they'd mean a bit more if it wasn't coupled to a lengthy thinking-out-loud post that casts doubt on it, based on how many job listings you see, for something you don't look for job listings for. Quick Google shows Dart 10th, right below SQL, right above Kotlin. https://www.devjobsscanner.com/blog/top-8-most-demanded-prog...

> I bet they'd mean a bit more if it wasn't coupled to a lengthy thinking-out-loud post that casts doubt on it, based on how many job listings you see, for something you don't look for job listings for.

Did you really just thank the guy for saying thanks, but give him a big fuck you in the same breath for not being a 100% kool-aid drinker?

Speechless.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by wiseowise »

999900000999 wrote: post #549
wiseowise wrote: post #498

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> Can we at least agree it's weird Google is trying to promote 2 different languages for multiplatform development? Google doesn’t promote anything. There are two competing teams with their own agendas. Flutter’s bills are mostly paid by internal usage, as far as I know. Android is mainly focused on Android part of Compose. Multiplatform Compose, on the other hand, is mostly pushed by JetBrains to eat some of Flutter…

>I might be wrong, as I’ve worked with .Net professionally, but I doubt you can jump from Senior Unity C# developer to Senior Asp.Net developer. Language is a small part in modern development. I'm not exactly senior to senior, but I hopped from mid level hobbyist Unity dev to professional Unity dev , to mid level .net dev. I have a very specific niche though. I'm very comfortable with my career. >Multiplatform Compos…

Android Studio is subsidized by Google and works pretty much only Android. The moment you have to work something more, e.g. some Web stuff you need to pay for IntelliJ Ultimate as it’s only IDE that supports Kotlin.

They even have Ktor (Kotlin web framework) plugin available only in Ultimate. For any non-trivial Kotlin development you need to have Ultimate.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by wiseowise »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #585
wiseowise wrote: post #496

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Then you won’t understand what made Flutter “click”. I work with Kotlin, Gradle and Compose on a day to day job and it is absolutely dreadful experience. Sure, it beats working with Java… Java 8.

Thanks for explaining your stance not a whit. I was genuinely interested in your thoughts, "you wouldn't understand it, but trust me" is deeply unhelpful.

It’s more of a “too hard to translate all the frustrations that you encounter in day to day” rather than “trust me, bro”.

Glad you found it useful.

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