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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by rty32 »

al_borland wrote: post #114
cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple add something like this to Pages and some of their other apps. Their approach to AI, from what we've seen so far, has been about integrating it into existing apps and experiences, rather than making a separate AI app. I have to imagine this is the way forward, and these stand alone apps are basically tech demos for what is possible, rather than end-state for how it should be consu…

How many people use Pages these days? I don't think Apple even mentions the product in their WWDC these days. My guess is that most people either use Microsoft suite as required by their employer or use cloud based knowledge base/notes tools like Notion/Quip/Obsidian/Confluence etc. I doubt Apple thinks it worthwhile to invest in these products.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by fiatpandas »

Maro wrote: post #553

I wouldn't read too much into this, as OpenAI is a relatively big company with 3k+ employees (and I'm sure they'll reach 5-10k headcount soon), ie. they have enough firepower to run product experiments like this. But, what I find interesting here is that this product could be developed by anybody using OpenAI (or other) API calls, ie. OpenAI is now experimenting with more vertical applications, versus just focusing o…

I think you are going to see a lot more of this. You can’t take billions in funding and only tweak your horizontals.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by rty32 »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #83
wenc wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. This is exactly what Google’s NotebookLM does. It’s (currently) free and it reads your Google Docs and does RAG on them. https://notebooklm.google/

The most amazing thing with notebooklm is that is can turn your docs into a very high quality podcast of two people discussing the content of your docs.

It is a cool concept, but anyone who listens to enough podcasts know that hosts have personalities and interests, and productions usually have their styles, focus and quality. These features make podcast channels unique and make you want to come back. That's why you may want to listen to podcast A instead of B even though they discuss the same topics. I doubt the Google thing will ever give us that -- likely just one hour of generic rambling that gets boring.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by rty32 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #497
throwup238 wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use ChatGPT/Claude in bed and when I otherwise don’t have a computer handy like going on walks. When developing isolated code it works just fine without having to specify a lot of detail. For example, I’m working on a Qt QML app backed by Rust but use the mobile interfaces to code up C++ components that are independent of the Rust logic and can be wired together from QML/Javascript. Since the LLMs already have lots…

That's funny, I do the exact same thing. If I'm out and about or otherwise not at a computer, and I have an idea or solution to a bug I wanted to solve, I'll fire up an LLM on my phone (usually Claude these days) and basically brainstorm together the pros and cons, with code sometimes as well.

Curious -- does this happen to you often? Do you do that for your work (what pays your salary) or personal projects? Do you find it stressful to think about coding all the time?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by sanex »

jamiek88 wrote: post #241
sanex wrote: post #204

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Amazon Basics is kind of the same thing, they haven't been sued. Yet.

Suing Amazon unless you are also a mega corp is basically impossible so until they rip off Apple or MS they’ll be fine.

I guess I should have said sued by the FTC.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by lemming »

yunohn wrote: post #572
joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

The primary issue is that IDEA and other editors don’t allow the level of flexibility and customizability needed to make new experiences, unlike VSCode. Whether new solutions need to fork it or not is a different question. For example, Cursor absolutely has made significant changes for user benefit that stock VSCode with Copilot doesn’t have.

I’m a professional IntelliJ plugin developer, this is absolutely not true. IntelliJ is incredibly customisable, and you can always code raw swing to achieve whatever you want if there’s something that the base platform doesn’t provide.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by aixpert »

jcfrei wrote: post #39
cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

When they are focusing on just being an API provider then they will be in a market with (long term) razor thin margins and high competition - most likely unable to build a deep moat. But if you can shape customers habits to always input "chatgpt.com" into the browser whenever they want to use AI then that's a very powerful moat. Those customers will also most likely be on a subscription basis, meaning much more flexi…

Your argument, which could be correct, makes their choice of the name ChatPGT* even more idiotic

* Or which ever variant the average user might try to type in

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by anotherpaulg »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #509

I'd love a version of this that worked with files directly on my local system. Aider is close, but it's too integrated with git for simple one-off scripts, which is a use case where I find GPT-generated code shines. Is there an open source version of this and/or Claude Artifacts, yet?

You can do this to quickly work on a small script:

  aider --no-git oneoffscript.py

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by dboreham »

jonahx wrote: post #494
dboreham wrote: post #430

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Sticking to my prediction that lawyers will be first.

This fundamentally misunderstands what lawyers do. You're prediction might be right for paralegals and very junior attorneys. But the lawyers who make real money are not doing rote work. It's lunches, negotiation, politics, and for trial attorneys performance and debate. Social activities, human skills. They'll always be around.

s/lawyers/software-developers/
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