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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Why choose CPP to develop this instead of Rust? How do you fix all the bad security bugs? I fear you’ll just leave users vulnerable to completely new attacks, it’s a huge surface area

Andreas Kling can develop personal projects with any language he desires.

If you disagree, roll up your sleeves and show us how you can make it better. Otherwise, STFU.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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If you want ultimate freedom, just put it to public domain at the beginning.

Yup. All licensing is about brokering control. The only license that grants true freedom is no license, i.e. public domain. Everything else is a “where’s the control” shell game.

(obligatory IANAL)

Sadly, that's not how it works; opting out of the copyright game is a lot harder than it should be. "No license" means all rights reserved, and even a public domain dedication is invalid in certain countries.

Your best bet is to put your code in the PD and provide a fallback maximally permissive license in countries with insane legislation where that doesn't work (e.g. Germany). The Unlicense notably does this, though lawyers seem to hate it for various reasons.

Alternatively, you can use licenses like 0BSD/MIT-0 which are PD-equivalent, but you technically retain copyright, so it should work in aforementioned countries too.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Better but a the real alternative is what we had before: publicly visible forums, mailing lists with an archive, etc. I'm not going to sign up for your discussion group without being able to get a feel for the community first.

Would you volunteer in setting up a forum for ladybird and host it and can you convince Kling and co. that you will be around to host it for the next years to come? Because that is a project in itself and as much as I despise discord, I understand why they just went with it.

If I had a serious interest in the project (more than, say, maybe sending a patch here and there to fix my pet peeve), I would definitely volunteer for something like that if there was a demand. That's something I quite enjoy, and am reasonably good at, I think.

And as for me being there for years to come, who can say that for sure? I would absolutely try to. For that matter, will Discord still be here next year?

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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This is a welcome initiative speaking from a personal and professional perspective, and as CEO of an independent search engine; we are all too well aware of the power of money and defaults. This immediately comes to mind as akin to the Signal vis-a-vis WhatsApp etc. Here there is an obvious reason to use Signal and a well-understood proposition. What might it be for Ladybird? And how will you differentiate?

To be honest, we are so far behind everyone else today that we're 100% focused on catching up technically, and not thinking much about differentiation. :) That said, I do think we'll find ways to differentiate given our uncommon situation with no ties to the advertising industry. This gives us the ability to experiment with privacy measures more aggressive than others may be comfortable with for fear of losing fundin…

Well, your tie to the advertising industry is that large parts of the web are funded by advertising. Get too anti-advertising and servers will just treat you as an ad blocker and find ways to stop serving you.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Indeed. There can never be just one platform for project communication, because there are different kinds of communication - mostly sorted between synchronous and asynchronous. So, IRC, Matrix (these can even be interconnected) for synchronous, mailing lists or forums for asynchronous. And of course issue tracker, where some topical communication can happen as well, but that could completely be covered by mailing lis…

"There's no reason to ever have anything non-open in your FOSS project's infrastructure." Except, that it is easier to set up? What you describe sounds reasonable. But someone needs to set all that up and host it and needs to be trusted etc. So I guess if many people get involved and do set this up, they would convince the rest of the team to join them. But right now it is just a demand for more work for them.

You are correct, of course. If the project leadership does not see a value in using open infrastructure, of course it would look like additional (and unreasonable) demand. It's up to them.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

congrats my dude! and when windows & android version available, i don't mind 10 bucks per month subscription at all.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Performance is overrated and irrevelant. It's simple force - not a skill. I can't do in more performat Firefox, neither it doesn't matter how performant Chromium, things that was possible in Firefox with old extensions. Not having such abilities, the only thing left to Google to talk about was.. performace - and crippling powers of Firefox. Rust is a new skill, not more of force.

Performance is overrated? What? I'm sorry but not all people are rich enough to own multiple threadrippers. Performance is a skill, probably one of the most important skills. Rust is a darn language, not a skill. You can have performant code in rust and in c++ and damnit even in brainfuck if you care enough. But the reality is that there is more performance oriented code written in C++ than in rust, and that matters.

Another skill, inconvinient, forbidden and forgotten ( * * * that I wish Ladybird will have * * * ): plugins - so I have A Browser For All Documents that can play every video format regardless of web video codec support or licencing etc. (with vlc, mplayer, whatever).

Neither Javascript shall be needed to see anything on the Web - if not being essential for tracking and ads - but it's you who have to pay for it with that threadrippers (and no access to source data) ? Yes, it happend people are rich enough to belive that.

Making things simple and possible is the most important skill.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Thanks for letting us know this extremely important and relevant information about the founder. We need to shut down this project and get him cancelled and permanently banned from the software industry.

Nobody said that. But people should know these things so they can make an informed decision if they want to use and/or contribute to the project. Are you against that?

I’m saying that he should be sentenced to life in prison for his crimes against humanity. Using “he” instead of “they” is unforgivable. All of the source code should be printed out and burned and no one can be allowed to use this evil browser.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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> There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license. Hey, just a reality check: in the event that you actually do become wildly successful, this means that others (Google, Microsoft, etc.) will be able to fork the browser and then develop it faster than you - thus leaving you behind and taking away your users ! Would highly recommend leaving yourself some mechanism to prevent that, unless you're rea…

"Better" is a subjective term. I would probably stay on OG Ladybird if it meant MS/Google-ified LB starts screenshotting/OCRing/Uploading/LLMing all the data, even if it were to become faster and more slick. Slow computing it's sometimes called [0] I sometimes experience some friction (really acceptable though) on Firefox, it has never lured me to Edge of Chrome. Some people have standards you know ;) [0] https://www…

think I'll get me this book. Thx

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Thanks for letting us know this extremely important and relevant information about the founder. We need to shut down this project and get him cancelled and permanently banned from the software industry.

Nobody said that. But people should know these things so they can make an informed decision if they want to use and/or contribute to the project. Are you against that?

Your original complaint got flagged away. I suspect for good reasons.
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