Can you store things other than passwords, e.g. credit cards? I doesn't seem so, but I only gave it a quick look. Would love to switch but that is a hard requirement for me. Also, does it only work well with Safari?
Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#632Earlier quoted context omitted.
MacOS is only licensed for use in Apple branded hardware, as I understand it. Even running it in a VM could be problematic if that host isn't running MacOS.
So your issue isnt the openness in terms of being limited on what you can do on it, and more that you want it to be bloated with drivers for millions of various pieces of hardware like Windows, got it.
> and more that you want it to be bloated with drivers for millions of various pieces of hardware like Windows, got it.
MacOS is bloated anyways; they might as well use that bloat for something important like backwards-compatibility and not zombie-code left over from the PowerPC era. That's just an objective failure, on Apple's behalf; they break software support more often than Microsoft and even Linux at this point. A professional OS really has no excuse to break someone's software and leave it broken. Even Microsoft gets that.
So... yeah, you know what? I do want it to be bloated with drivers, because whatever they're stuffing it with right now clearly isn't working. I don't trust Apple to write or maintain a long-lived successor, I demand third-party alternatives I can maintain myself. Give me more options for writing and delivering software, or else I am going to continue ignoring MacOS as a build target for the foreseeable future.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#633Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…
I don't have a problem with the subscriptions. I've tried out a number of options over the years, including KeePass, LastPass, 1Password, and most recently Bitwarden. KeePass was a great bit of software but managing the vault syncing myself and having to wait for (and trust) the third-party Firefox extension to update was tiresome. For about a buck a month, LP was a pretty good deal and handled all of that overhead f…
> I don't get the hand-wringing when it comes to reasonably priced services. Development and infrastructure costs money.
I have no problem paying for software. But in this case I’d far prefer a one-off purchase. The only reason there are ongoing infrastructure costs are because I’m being forced into using the company’s cloud service. I already pay for infrastructure in the form of my own cloud storage. I want to pay, once, for software that will use that infrastructure.
More generally, while I might see the value in paying $45 a year for a password service a lot of non-tech folks don’t. They’re happy using the same password everywhere they go (until they aren’t, of course), making them pay a few months-worth of Netflix to use software they’re already not inclined to use means they just won’t do it.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#634Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…
I don't have a problem with the subscriptions. I've tried out a number of options over the years, including KeePass, LastPass, 1Password, and most recently Bitwarden. KeePass was a great bit of software but managing the vault syncing myself and having to wait for (and trust) the third-party Firefox extension to update was tiresome. For about a buck a month, LP was a pretty good deal and handled all of that overhead f…
I use BitWarden and I prefer having the open source and self hosted options for using BitWarden. 1Password does not have those. Despite that, I've been strongly advocating for it at work because it easily has the most polished and refined UI/UX of all the managers I've tried.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#635Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly this will take off, and be tied to everything apple. From a tech perspective I would never use their tools even if they are the most convenient. But the reality is most people will see this as the only option for password management, and 1password isn't free, so for them they will see no better way out.
I would be happy if more people adopted password managers. We'd all be a lot better off if they did. And personally I don't care which tool they use to get there. But there's still too much friction in using a password manager, not all of which is the fault of the password manager (eg different password requirements, how 2FA verification is handled, the antiquated notion of password expiry, some sites split username…
We are not always the target demographic. I know many people who use apps because they were the default. Most people used Internet Explorer because it was, and many still don't know that there's an alternative, or even why use an alternative.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#636Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…
I don't mind paying for quality software, which I considered 1Password v7 to be. However, their recent v8 launch has soured me on the company pretty severely. The macOS app is a pretty dramatic downstep and their focus on a browser extension over a system/menubar app is frustrating to say the least. I don't know if Apple Passwords will be a perfect fit for me, I'm hoping someone shares a deep dive on the product soon…
I agree with you. V7 was good enough that I’d have paid for it over using Apple. But v8 has had me looking for an alternative anyway.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#637Can you store things other than passwords, e.g. credit cards? I doesn't seem so, but I only gave it a quick look. Would love to switch but that is a hard requirement for me. Also, does it only work well with Safari?
Apple Wallet is for debit/credit cards, it already exists and works.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#6381Password has gotten progressively worse. It's now an Electron app (so it's slower to load), and some features have stopped working well. They took VC funding to pivot to enterprise, anticipating that OS vendors would integrate basic password management features (what most of their usage at the time) into the OS. So the consumer experience has been de-prioritized. I will not be renewing my 1Password subscription.
Oh the classic irrational HN hate on JS/Electron... 1Password 8 takes <1s to load from scratch on my machine, and is instant most of the time since it runs in background.
when every app loads an entire duplicate browser stack then your RAM is wasted out of cheapness and negligence.
Moreover, I shouldn’t need a cutting edge microprocessor just to look at my saved passwords. Multiplied across 15 million 1Password users, even 1 second amounts to about six months of collective time wasted for each app launch.
I would never hire any developer who disregarded their users’ time, UI experience, and computing resources so blatantly.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#639Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…
I don't mind paying for quality software, which I considered 1Password v7 to be. However, their recent v8 launch has soured me on the company pretty severely. The macOS app is a pretty dramatic downstep and their focus on a browser extension over a system/menubar app is frustrating to say the least. I don't know if Apple Passwords will be a perfect fit for me, I'm hoping someone shares a deep dive on the product soon…
> I'm hoping someone shares a deep dive on the product soon
I have the app open in front of me but haven’t used it much. It’s basically the Passwords pane from System Settings ripped out and with some new fixed smart categories. If that’s enough for you, so will the app be. If not, not.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#640Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have a problem with the subscriptions. I've tried out a number of options over the years, including KeePass, LastPass, 1Password, and most recently Bitwarden. KeePass was a great bit of software but managing the vault syncing myself and having to wait for (and trust) the third-party Firefox extension to update was tiresome. For about a buck a month, LP was a pretty good deal and handled all of that overhead f…
I use BitWarden and I prefer having the open source and self hosted options for using BitWarden. 1Password does not have those. Despite that, I've been strongly advocating for it at work because it easily has the most polished and refined UI/UX of all the managers I've tried.
On that note, a simple point where Bitwarden is lacking is the custom fields feature. It feels disconnected, separated from the main fields, and doesn't integrate very well into web forms that use the extra fields. 1Password, on the other hand, handles the custom fields amazingly, and event lets you creat sections to group them together in entries.