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Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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"Sweden’s instrument of accession was deposited with the United States Government, as depositary of the North Atlantic Treaty."

What does this sentence actually mean? What is an instrument of accession? What does it mean for it to be "deposited with the US government"?

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Armenia was invaded in 2021 and Azerbaijan occupies "at least 215 square kilometres (83 sq mi) of internationally recognized Armenian territory." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia%E2%80%93Azerbaijan_bor...

The border isn't demarcated and you need to consider the larger context of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict where Armenian armed forces helped ethnic Armenians create unrecognized state on the territory of Azerbaijan. [0] You don't get to claim that you are a victim when you have created a pseudo-state on the territory of your neighbor.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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One thing that isn't mentioned a lot in connection to this: Sweden and Denmark has a VERY violent history. Hundreds of years of wars. It is said to be the worst conflict in all of human history. Now we are allied and committed to defend each other. That's a huge thing for peace.

I have many Serbian friends going for holidays in Croatia. Unthinkable 30 years ago. So maybe, in 50 years from now, Russia will join NATO, too?

The current NATO expansion happens only because those countries are scared of Russia. Also, by definition, NATO exists to fight Russia.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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IMO it's still not certain NATO will hold together if Putin decides to attack the Baltic states or Poland. Many NATO countries will have sizeable factions of their electorate saying to not get involved. The fact that Ukraine hasn't been easy for him makes it less likely that Putin will attempt that, but it's clearly been on his mind.

I think Putin would not invade Poland, it's just as strong or even stronger than Ukraine, with less corruption, better economy and defense treaties. Baltics have always been the biggest risk. They are very small population-wise and can be "easily" cut off (Suwalki gap). But the addition of Sweden and Finland to the alliance will significantly improve the defense posture (airfields, maritime logistics).

I think if he is successful in Ukraine, Transnistra/Moldowa are the logical next step. Then he most likely would use his stooges like Orban and radicalized Russian minorities to create problems and wait for an opportunity.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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I have many Serbian friends going for holidays in Croatia. Unthinkable 30 years ago. So maybe, in 50 years from now, Russia will join NATO, too?

The current NATO expansion happens only because those countries are scared of Russia. Also, by definition, NATO exists to fight Russia.

This is not true, NATO is a defensive pact. Only russian propaganda says differently

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Less accurate for a NATO that contains Sweden & Finland, though. There's no doubt those 2 have and will pull their weight. Speaking as a Canadian, whose country doesn't.

There's a difference between member states pulling their weight and the org itself pulling itself together to behave as a coherent entity. If Turkey (or any member) decides to veto or drags its feet prevent any action at all from occurring, it doesn't matter. In the mean time, the aggressor is taking advantage and ransacking its way through Europe. The whole time, the individual members are waiting for the Yanks to g…

There is no veto power on article 5. It is up to the member states to organize their response or not, but they cant prevent other states to do so.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Can you explain what project is unwinding? It looks to me like Europe is still coming together to resist the danger of Russian invasion. For Nuland, it looks like she had a long career, she had many good roles, she championed protecting Ukraine and there was only one other position for to be promoted to and they promoted someone else. So that seems like a perfect time to leave after a successful career.

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Oh boy, by that account Russia should be in rubbles a year ago. Putin even had to kill off his caterer turned warlord, who staged a mutiny and marched with 5k mercenaries on Moscow and the rest of the country just stood by and watched the show.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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The current NATO expansion happens only because those countries are scared of Russia. Also, by definition, NATO exists to fight Russia.

This is not true, NATO is a defensive pact. Only russian propaganda says differently

I think that NATO was founded after World War II, largely due to British efforts to contain the Soviet Union and its influence in Europe ?

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Interesting. I learnt the word 'bellicist' for the first time.

I think the more proper word in that context is bellicose (adjective). Bellicist is a noun. Same root as the more common words belligerent and antebellum. You may have also heard of “casus belli” (rationale for declaring war).

You are correct - bellicose would have been the proper form.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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One thing that isn't mentioned a lot in connection to this: Sweden and Denmark has a VERY violent history. Hundreds of years of wars. It is said to be the worst conflict in all of human history. Now we are allied and committed to defend each other. That's a huge thing for peace.

"It is said to be the worst conflict in all of human history." No it is not, that is incorrect. I really dont know where you get that from. And I dont agree that there have been a VERY violent history. Yes there have been wars, and all war are voilent, but not anything special for that era. Between 1200-1800 there was 15 wars. From 1-10 years and the majority of them lasted just 1 or 2 years. And fun facts: Of the 15…

> Sug på den danskjävlar ;)

I feel a new war brewing and just started stacking cannon balls at Bohus fästning [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohus_Fortress

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