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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by sharpneli »

FlyingSnake wrote: post #482
sharpneli wrote: post #306

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It was extra hilarious when asked to generate a picture of ancient Greek philosopher it made it a Native American. Because it is well known Greeks not only had contact with the new world but also had prominent population of Native Americans. It really wants to mash the whole world to a very specific US centric view of the world, and calls you bad for trying to avoid it.

> it is well known Greeks not only had contact with the new world but also had prominent population of Native Americans. I’m really surprised to hear this tidbit, because I thought Leif Erickson was then first one from the old world to do venture there. Did Ancient Greeks really made contact with the Native Americans?

It was a joke. Obviously there was no contact whatsoever between the two.

Gemini basically forces the current US ethnical representation fashions to every situation regardless of how well it fits.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by Perceval »

Ajay-p wrote: post #338
sharpneli wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was extra hilarious when asked to generate a picture of ancient Greek philosopher it made it a Native American. Because it is well known Greeks not only had contact with the new world but also had prominent population of Native Americans. It really wants to mash the whole world to a very specific US centric view of the world, and calls you bad for trying to avoid it.

That is not artificial intelligence, that is deliberate mucking with the software to achieve a desired outcome. Google is utterly untrustworthy in this regard.

AI stands for Artificial Ideology

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by AirborneUnicorn »

mckern wrote: post #377
AirborneUnicorn wrote: post #148

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Do you have sources for these events? I’d like to read them. Thanks!

For the race-essentialist practices described by the original poster, Yascha Mounk's "The Identity Trap," published in 2023, and interviews with Coleman Hughes regarding his college experience at Columbia are insightful resources. To delve into the philosophical roots that lead to the type of absurd reasoning mentioned by the original poster, "Cynical Theories" by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay, released in 2020,…

This is an interesting article, thanks for sharing! Nuanced perspectives like these are useful.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by remarkEon »

didntcheck wrote: post #592
rondini wrote: post #454

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Are you seriously claiming that the actual systemic racism in our society is discrimination against white people? I just struggle to imagine someone holding this belief in good faith.

How so? Organizations have been very open and explicit about wanting to employ less white people and seeing "whiteness" as a societal ill that needs addressing. I really don't understand this trend of people excitedly advocating for something then crying foul when you say that they said it

> really don't understand this trend of people excitedly advocating for something then crying foul when you say that they said it

A friend of mine calls this the Celebration Parallax. "This thing isn't happening, and it's good that it is happening."

Depending on who is describing the event in question, the event is either not happening and a dog-whistling conspiracy theory, or it is happening and it's a good thing.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by joebo »

empath-nirvana wrote: post #387
34679 wrote: post #277

Here's the problem for Google: Gemini pukes out a perfect visual representation of actual systemic racism that pervades throughout modern corporate culture in the US. Daily interactions can be masked by platitudes and dog whistles. A poster of non-white celtic warriors cannot. Gemini refused to create an image of "a nice white man", saying it was "too spicy", but had no problem when asked for an image of "a nice blac…

There is an _actual problem_ that needs to be solved. If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or…

It seems the problem is looking for a single picture to represent the whole. Why not have generative AI always generate multiple images (or a collage) that are forced to be different? Only after that collage has been generated can the user choose to generate a single image.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by octacat »

Apparently, Google has an issue with people. Nice tech, but trying to automate everything would hit you. Funny, the fiasco could've been avoided, if they would use QA from /b/ imageboard. Because generating Nazis is the first thing /b/ would try.

But yea, Google would rather fire people instead.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by skinkestek »

jannyfer wrote: post #373
indy wrote: post #233

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That's an Asian person

That’s a Scandinavian person

As a Scandinavian person, I at least do not think it is a typical Scandinavian person in Scandinavia. The first thing I think is German, or an artist.

I cannot point to anything specific though so it might just be the styling which makes her look like an artist or something.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by rmbyrro »

empath-nirvana wrote: post #387
34679 wrote: post #277

Here's the problem for Google: Gemini pukes out a perfect visual representation of actual systemic racism that pervades throughout modern corporate culture in the US. Daily interactions can be masked by platitudes and dog whistles. A poster of non-white celtic warriors cannot. Gemini refused to create an image of "a nice white man", saying it was "too spicy", but had no problem when asked for an image of "a nice blac…

There is an _actual problem_ that needs to be solved. If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or…

I think it's disingenious to claim that the problem pointed out isn't an actual problem.

If it was not your intention, that's what your wording is clearly implying by "_actual problem_".

One can point out problems without dismissing other people's problems with no rationale.

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