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Not just Europe: also no Canada, China, Russia, United Kingdom, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Norway, Iceland, etc.
> Not just Europe, also no [mostly European countries] EU is not Europe.
Also, Bulgaria is part of EU
Gemini AI
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Re: Gemini AI
#632Gemini Ultra isn't released yet and is months away still. Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 No public stats on Gemini Pro. (I'm wrong. Pro stats not on website, but tucked in a paper - https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_... ) I feel this is overstated hype. There is no competitor to GPT-4 being released today. I…
Agreed. The whole things reeks of being desperate. Half the video is jerking themselves off that they've done AI longer than anyone and they "release" (not actually available in most countries) a model that is only marginally better than the current GPT4 in cherry-picked metrics after nearly a year of lead-time?!?! That's your response? Ouch.
I worked at Google up through 8 weeks ago and knew there _had_ to be a trick --
You know those stats they're quoting for beating GPT-4 and humans? (both are barely beaten)
They're doing K = 32 chain of thought. That means running an _entire self-talk conversation 32 times_.
Source: https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_..., section 5.1.1 paragraph 2
Re: Gemini AI
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I'm legitimately starting to wonder what white collar workers will even do in 5-10 years. This just Year 1 of this stuff going mainstream. Careers are 25-30 years long. What will someone entering the workforce today even be doing in 2035?
Even if we get Gemini 2.0 or GPT-6 that is even better at the stuff it's good at now... you've always been able to outsource 'tasks' for cheap. There is no shortage of people that can write somewhat generic text, write chunks of self contained code, etc. This might lower the barrier of entry but it's basically a cheaper outsourcing model. And many companies will outsource more to AI. But there's probably a reason tha…
Never underestimate management's thirst for elimiating pesky problems that come with dealing with human bodies - vacations, pregnancies, office rivalries, time zones, and heck, unionization.
I suspect the real driver of the shift to AI will be this and not lower cost/efficiency.
Re: Gemini AI
#634Gemini Ultra isn't released yet and is months away still. Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 No public stats on Gemini Pro. (I'm wrong. Pro stats not on website, but tucked in a paper - https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_... ) I feel this is overstated hype. There is no competitor to GPT-4 being released today. I…
I think it’s so strange how Pro wasn’t launched for Bard in Europe yet. I thought Bard was already cleared for EU use following their lengthy delay, and that this clearance wouldn’t be a recurring issue to overcome for each new underlying language model. Unless it’s technically hard to NOT train it on your data or whatever. Weird.
I suspect this is because inference is very expensive (much like GPT-4) and their expected ARPU (average revenue per user) in Europe is just not high enough to be worth the cost.
See disposable income per capita (in PPP dollars): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per...
Re: Gemini AI
#635This demo is nuts: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=8ELqSinKHdlGlNpX
I'm legitimately starting to wonder what white collar workers will even do in 5-10 years. This just Year 1 of this stuff going mainstream. Careers are 25-30 years long. What will someone entering the workforce today even be doing in 2035?
Yeah it has been quite the problem to think about ever since the original release of ChatGPT, as it was already obvious where this will be going and multimodal models more or less confirmed it.
There's two ways this goes: UBI or gradual population reduction through unemployment and homelessness. There's no way the average human will be able to produce any productive value outside manual labor in 20 years. Maybe not even that, looking at robots like Digit that can already do warehouse work for $25/hour.
Re: Gemini AI
#636Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm legitimately starting to wonder what white collar workers will even do in 5-10 years. This just Year 1 of this stuff going mainstream. Careers are 25-30 years long. What will someone entering the workforce today even be doing in 2035?
[Guy who draws blue ducks for a living]: DAMNIT!
He can always sell that as an NFT!
Re: Gemini AI
#637ok. when will it be closed? so bard is no more?
Re: Gemini AI
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Everyone in the open source LLM community know the standard benchmarks are all but worthless. Cheating seems to be rampant, and by cheating I mean training on test questions + answers. Sometimes intentional, sometimes accidental. There are some good papers on checking for contamination, but no one is even bothering to use the compute to do so. As a random example, the top LLM on the open llm leaderboard right now has…
The issue is you really need to create a brand new benchmark with each release. Users will invariably test variants of existing benchmarks/questions and thus they will be included in the next training run. Academia isn't used to using novel benchmark questions every few months so will have trouble adapting.
The trick is to hide the answers to the test data with an authority that only reports your score, like Kaggle does. And then only allow a single submission for each new model to avoid data leakage. I find it a bit sad that this practice has fallen by the wayside, as it went pretty mainstream within the research community with the Netflix Prize back in 2009.
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I do think that’s a backfire. Telling me how long you’ve been doing something isn’t that impressive if the other guy has been doing it for much less time and is better at it. It’s in fact the opposite.
Not if the little guy leveraged your inventions/research.
Weird for us to personify a corporation like that tbh. Google didn't invent transformers, researchers working at Google did.
Sure Google paid em money/employed em, but the smarts behind it isn't the entity Google or the execs at the top, Sundar etc; it's those researchers. I like to appreciate individualism in a world where those at the top have lobbied their way into a 1% monopoly lmao.
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Investors are getting impatient! ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me and I wonder if Google starts to feel the pressure.
I wonder what advertising will look like with this. Will they suggest products in the response? Like “Top ideas:…” and the LLM’s response.
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