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Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by mcny »

Emma_Goldman wrote: post #621

I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman. The core of the narrative thus far is that the board fired Altman on the grounds that he was prioritising commercialisation over the not-for-profit mission of OpenAI written into the organisation's charter.[1] Given that Sam has since joined Microsoft, that seems plausible, on its face. The board may have been incompetent and shor…

> I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman.

I have no inside information. I don't know anyone at Open AI. This is all purely speculation.

Now that that's out out the way, here is my guess: money.

These people never joined OpenAI to "advance sciences and arts" or to "change the world". They joined OpenAI to earn money. They think they can make more money with Sam Altman in charge.

Once again, this is completely all speculation. I have not spoken to anyone at Open AI or anyone at Microsoft or anyone at all really.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

nostrademons wrote: post #551
joshstrange wrote: post #308

Well I give up. I think everyone is a "loser" in the current situation. With Ilya signing this I have literally no clue what to believe anymore. I was willing to give the board the benefit of the doubt since I figured non-profit > profit in terms of standing on principal but this timeline is so screwy I'm done. Ilya votes for and stands behind decision to remove Altman, Altman goes to MS, other employees want him bac…

Could be a way to get backdoor-acquihired by Microsoft without a diligence process or board approval. Open up what they have accomplished for public consumption; kick off a massive hype cycle; downplay the problems around hallucinations and abuse; negotiate fat new stock grants for everyone at Microsoft at the peak of the hype cycle; and now all the problems related to actually making this a sustainable, legal techno…

I can assure you, none of the people at OpenAI are hurting for lack of employment opportunities.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by vlovich123 »

vitorgrs wrote: post #588
JeremyNT wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way to read any of this other than that the entire operation is a clown show. All respect to the engineers and their technical abilities, but this organization has demonstrated such a level of dysfunction that there can't be any path back for it. Say MS gets what it wants out of this move, what purpose is there in keeping OpenAI around? Wouldn't they be better off just hiring everybody? Is it just some kin…

They are exactly hiring everyone from OpenAI. The thing is, they still need the deal with OpenAI because currently OpenAI still have the best LLM model out there in short term.

With MS having access and perpetual rights to all IP that OpenAI has right now..?

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by DrJaws »

Emma_Goldman wrote: post #621

I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman. The core of the narrative thus far is that the board fired Altman on the grounds that he was prioritising commercialisation over the not-for-profit mission of OpenAI written into the organisation's charter.[1] Given that Sam has since joined Microsoft, that seems plausible, on its face. The board may have been incompetent and shor…

maybe the workforce is not really behind the non-profit foundation and want shares to skyrocket, sell, and be well off for life.

at the end of the day, the people working there are not rich like the founders and money talks when you have to pay rent, eat and send your kids to a private college.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by jacquesm »

LonelyWolfe wrote: post #626
breadwinner wrote: post #51

If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…

Just a thought.... Wouldn't one of the board members be like "If you screw with us any further we're releasing gpt to the public" I'm wondering why that option hasn't been used yet.

Which of the remaining board members could credibly make that threat?

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

vitorgrs wrote: post #588
JeremyNT wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way to read any of this other than that the entire operation is a clown show. All respect to the engineers and their technical abilities, but this organization has demonstrated such a level of dysfunction that there can't be any path back for it. Say MS gets what it wants out of this move, what purpose is there in keeping OpenAI around? Wouldn't they be better off just hiring everybody? Is it just some kin…

They are exactly hiring everyone from OpenAI. The thing is, they still need the deal with OpenAI because currently OpenAI still have the best LLM model out there in short term.

> They are exactly hiring everyone from OpenAI.

Do you mean offering to hire them? I haven't seen any source saying they've hired a lot of people from OpenAI, just a few senior ones.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by robbywashere_ »

If they align with Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft, they wouldn't have to initiate from ground zero since Microsoft possesses complete rights to ChatGPT IP. They could simply create a variant of ChatGPT.

it's worth noting that Microsoft's supposed contribution of $13 Billion to OpenAI doesn't fully materialize in cash, a large portion of it is faceted as Azure credits.

this scenario might transform into the most cost-effective takeover for Microsoft, acquiring a corporation valued at $90 billion for a relatively trifling sum.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by jacquesm »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #477
breadwinner wrote: post #51

If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…

Can the OpenAI board renege on the deal with msft?

Don't you think they have trouble enough as it is?
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