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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by neodymiumphish »

kmeisthax wrote: post #496
hbn wrote: post #121

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This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. The current version of it that people are using on Android isn't even a "standard" by any normal usage of the term, it's just another Google messaging service. No one can make their own app, and there's barely any carrier adoption, so Google is basically running the whole network. Does this mean that now if you send a message to someone…

When you set up a new phone on Google Fi, the first thing Messages tells you to do is turn RCS off , because for whatever reason Google can't make Fi's native cross-device SMS[0] work with RCS. It's a damned shame. [0] Google Fi integrates with Messages for Web to allow you to use your phone number even if your phone is damaged or destroyed. It's absolutely amazing. I've used this (back when it was Hangouts integrati…

This is the one thing that makes me comfortable about continuing to use Google Voice for voice-mail and as a spare phone number for less important services. Otherwise, I'd expect Google to discontinue this service and tell me to fuck off by now.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by danaris »

nu11ptr wrote: post #440
danaris wrote: post #294

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To be clear, based on what I've read: "no end-to-end encryption" simply means that Apple is not going to either a) develop their own, proprietary E2EE system for RCS, or b) pay Google for theirs. And good grief, get over the bubble color thing. Of course RCS isn't going to have blue bubbles; those specifically indicate an iMessage message. Maybe they'll be green, or maybe they'll be purple, orange, or red, to differe…

> And good grief, get over the bubble color thing I agree it is stupid, but there most definitely is a "status thing" going on with the whole green vs. blue as well.

Personally, I have no experience with it—but I don't doubt that it exists for some people.

What I object to is people insisting that the "status thing" some people have going on with it is Apple's responsibility to fix by removing useful indicators of who's using what messaging services, or that Apple is deliberately and maliciously making people not using iMessage somehow look worse.

(On the other hand, I think there's a perfectly legitimate argument that Apple could and should open iMessage, and is choosing not to do so for relatively selfish reasons. I don't have a strong opinion on that one either way.)

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by gigatexal »

kelnos wrote: post #505
gigatexal wrote: post #464

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> There is no reason for there to be such messaging incompatibility between iOS and Android. My feeling is that Apple knows the regulatory winds are shifting very much against anticompetitive behavior, and their iMessage incompatibility was just looking like the blatant protectionism that it is. iMessage is and always was for iPhone users to communicate with other iPhone users. It will send messages over SMS as a fal…

> In electric car charging Tesla built out the super charger network investing billions in service of making their cars more useful. And if they hadn't done so by choice, they should absolutely have been required to open up that network to all cars. Can you imagine a world (for ICE cars) where you'd have to find a car-manufacturer-specific gas station to refuel? That's ridiculous.

No. A market winner for gas stations would have emerged and cars would adopt that. Just like is happening with Tesla and their chargers and connectors.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by hospitalJail »

jmull wrote: post #334
hospitalJail wrote: post #286

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I hate racists and hating racists doesnt make me a bad person. I hate people who judge others based on $1000 dollar Veblen goods. Also I make more money than them, so I'm very aware that the person who cares about bubbles is being exploited by Apple's psychology and marketing department. So... maybe I don't hate them, maybe we should feel sorry for them. Or maybe we need to hate them because its a deterrent against c…

First, just an aside: you don't have to hate anyone. It doesn't make you a bad person to hate others, but you could be living better, that's for sure. The thing is, it usually mainly impacts the hater, making them unhappy and angry. But your analogy doesn't fit here... the issue with blue and green bubbles is the social pressure to have the "better" bubble color, to show you're part of the "better" group. That is, th…

I have a hard time understanding if this actually matters.

Maybe because I'm good looking and make a lot of money, I don't have to care about green bubbles?

Maybe this is important if you are a poor person.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by cesarb »

qingcharles wrote: post #314
dcgudeman wrote: post #301

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why don't you want RCS?

A lot of people I know can't afford a data plan for their phones, so when RCS becomes enabled it just bounces all their incoming/outgoing messages and it is sometimes days or weeks before they realize.

And even for those who can afford a data plan for their phones, they might have gone over their data allowance for the current month, so the data won't work until it refreshes at the start of the next monthly cycle. And obviously, having one more thing using data makes it even easier to go over the limit.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by randomdata »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #617
achenet wrote: post #596

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I believe Peter Thiel would say that capitalism and competition are opposites, and the goal of capitalism is monopoly. https://morfene.com/021.pdf

I'm not sure why people always attribute this observation to Thiel, as if it was something fringe, given how obvious and apparent it is. The goal of a profit-seeking entity is to maximize profit. That is achieved by becoming a monopoly. Competition is just the consequence of multiple entities trying to become a monopoly - there can be only one. This is the motive part of market economy . The energy source. Now, monop…

> Therefore, markets are regulated to prevent monopolies.

Markets are regulated to enable monopolies. Bell would have never become a monopoly if there wasn't the regulation involved in laying copper and Microsoft would have never become a monopoly if there wasn't intellectual property regulation.

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Post by sonicanatidae »

jmull wrote: post #198
sonicanatidae wrote: post #81

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I love when people comment on the color of a text message. It makes it real easy to know who to block, because they worry about entirely the wrong things.

If you socially exclude someone because they care about the color of text message bubbles, don't you care at least as much as they do? More, probably, because if they just mention it and you block them, that's disproportionate.

No, because my action is based on their behavior, and shitty attitude, not the color of their text messages.

I do not care what color the message is. If I could read it, mission accomplished. People who worry about the color of an SMS are not folks I care to deal with. They are overly concerned about the wrong shit.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by sonicanatidae »

jmull wrote: post #334
hospitalJail wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate racists and hating racists doesnt make me a bad person. I hate people who judge others based on $1000 dollar Veblen goods. Also I make more money than them, so I'm very aware that the person who cares about bubbles is being exploited by Apple's psychology and marketing department. So... maybe I don't hate them, maybe we should feel sorry for them. Or maybe we need to hate them because its a deterrent against c…

First, just an aside: you don't have to hate anyone. It doesn't make you a bad person to hate others, but you could be living better, that's for sure. The thing is, it usually mainly impacts the hater, making them unhappy and angry. But your analogy doesn't fit here... the issue with blue and green bubbles is the social pressure to have the "better" bubble color, to show you're part of the "better" group. That is, th…

The previous poster made a decision to exclude based on the other party's actions, namely giving someone shit about the color of a text box.. lol

Why would I want to burden myself with clowns like that?

I wear clothes because they are comfortable and look nice. I don't wear clothes because of the branding and those that are overly concerned about the branding, would be the same.

Edit: also, I'm now apparently the same ilk as racists, since I choose not to deal with idiots that worry about the color of text boxes. That's cool.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by JohnFen »

ridewinter wrote: post #585
JohnFen wrote: post #380

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> it can be huge issue when you move to a new city and trying to make new friend Meh. I'm not interested in being part of a social circle that is as petty as that.

There's 40 million American teenagers who are very interested in being a part of petty social circles.

I was assuming this discussion was about adults, not children. Teenagers have always found petty reasons to reject others, but they usually grow up and learn better. This seems no different, so that part doesn't concern me much. If adults are doing it, though, that's entirely different.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by JohnFen »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #617
achenet wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Peter Thiel would say that capitalism and competition are opposites, and the goal of capitalism is monopoly. https://morfene.com/021.pdf

I'm not sure why people always attribute this observation to Thiel, as if it was something fringe, given how obvious and apparent it is. The goal of a profit-seeking entity is to maximize profit. That is achieved by becoming a monopoly. Competition is just the consequence of multiple entities trying to become a monopoly - there can be only one. This is the motive part of market economy . The energy source. Now, monop…

> I'm not sure why people always attribute this observation to Thiel, as if it was something fringe, given how obvious and apparent it is.

Indeed. It's so obvious and apparent that even Adam Smith himself made this exact point.

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