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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by weberer »

Bitnotri wrote: post #356
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Intel straggler here. And I'll remain one until Linux runs flawlessly on the newer generation. I have an older Thinkpad as my main workhorse and a now quite old Macbook air for on the road, it's battery has been shot for a long time but it still works quite good when plugged in and I'm too much of a miser to have it replaced. But if there is a way to run a full Linux distro on the newer hardware then I'll probably bu…

Check out asahilinux.org - I have archlinux arm running as my main OS on Air M1 for a year now.

I'm still holding out for HDMI output support so I can use it with the dock at work. But otherwise the project looks really good.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by unclejack »

These are still going to be used in laptops with soldered flash chips for the SSD. Apple's laptops aren't meant to be used by people who expect to repair their laptop when the storage fails. Many people don't have access to replacement chips and services to have the flash chips found on the board replaced. It's as if their hardware is meant to be e-waste.

The RAM is still not ECC. They focus so much on the shallow marketing without shipping anything which makes a difference.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by sunpazed »

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It was pretty hard to saturate the memory bandwidth on the M2 on the CPU side (not sure about the GPU).

The GPU can saturate it for sure. Llama.cpp is a pretty extreme cpu ram bus saturator, but I dunno how close it is (and its kind of irrelevant because why wouldn't you use a Metal backend).

Well, Metal can only allocate a smaller portion of “VRAM” to the GPU — about 70% or so, see; https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/tech-talks/10580

If you want to run larger models, then CPU inference is your only choice.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by chx »

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The technical explanation is that on the base M1/M2 SoC there is one Thunderbolt bus that supports 2 display outputs. On the MacBook Air one output is connected to the internal display leaving one output for an external display. (The Mac Mini that uses the same SoC is limited to 2 external displays for the same reason) To support more displays they would have to add support for a second Thunderbolt bus to the base So…

There's no reason a whole Thunderbolt bus is needed for every two displays. It's just Apple's decision to build their GPU that way. And to not support industry standard NVIDIA GPU on ARM Macs, too. 1 GPU typically supports 5 output over as little bandwidth as PCIe x1.

Not with nVidia, no, they are 4 displays, always has been. The NVS810 8x display card is using two GM107 GPUs.

AMD is 6 displays. You see this rarely on consumer boards but the ASRock 5700 XT Taichi for some inexplicable reason did expose all six -- with four DisplayPorts to boot, too. I do not think there has been 4 DP or six output customer cards since.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by als0 »

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You’re running a VM either way on a Mac. Docker without a VM is only available on Linux. EDIT I get your intent though because it runs better when the images match the host.

And on Windows while running Windows containers.

Before anyone else gets confused...Windows containers are only for Windows applications. If you have a Linux environment in your Docker image, then it's running on a VM. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowscont...

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by Condition1952 »

weberer wrote: post #631
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Check out asahilinux.org - I have archlinux arm running as my main OS on Air M1 for a year now.

I'm still holding out for HDMI output support so I can use it with the dock at work. But otherwise the project looks really good.

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by dottjt »

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Definitely the main thing preventing me from moving on from Mac is how bad Windows and Linux is. Around 6 months ago I actually bought a beefy desktop PC to play around with, dual booting both Windows and Linux and they were just terrible. The default keyboard shortcuts on Windows are a joke (not to mention, the lack of an additional modifier key which is present with mac, which makes shortcuts more difficult than it…

What is superior about Mac shortcuts? They seem to be just as inconvenient and requiring a rebind on both systems (though given how relatively easy it is for the basics strange it's a barrier to switching)

Having an additional dedicated modifier key is night and day in terms of creating shortcuts.

I don't see how they're equivalent. F2 is vastly inferior to pressing the enter key to renaming a file. Alt + F4 to close a window as opposed to cmd + w.

Can you name shortcuts that are more convenient on Windows than on Mac?

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by soulofmischief »

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Yep! But at least it can leverage hyperkit and vastly reduce overhead when running images of matching architecture.

hyperkit does not run on ARM Macs $ brew install hyperkit hyperkit: The x86_64 architecture is required for this software. Error: hyperkit: An unsatisfied requirement failed this build.

Oh I didn't realize, thanks for pointing that out. I guess they'll have to rely on the new virtualization framework going forward.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by runeks »

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Depends. Is it faster? Then it's an upgrade. Has the CPU industry really managed to pull off it's attempt at a bs coup that more cores always === better? I thought we'd learned our lesson with the silly Mhz Myth already?

I guess we'll have to wait for benchmarks but I did find this interesting: Apple's PR release for M2 pro: "up to 20 percent greater performance over M1 Pro" Apple's announcement for M3 pro: "up to 20 percent faster than M1 Pro" (they didn't bother to compare it to M2 pro)

That’s not what it says. Actual quote:

> The 12-core CPU design has six performance cores and six efficiency cores, offering single-threaded performance that is up to 30 percent faster than M1 Pro.

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