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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by extraduder_ire »

AmIDev wrote: post #623
l1k wrote: post #430

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The point here is likely to pull the rug out from under scalpers' feet. With the Raspberry Pi 5 out in two weeks, all the held-back inventory of older models will be dumped, prices will plummet, availability will become a non-issue. In that sense it's a wise move.

If scalpers are able to sell a product at higher price, doesn't that mean the company priced the product too low?

I think scalping is more of a supply issue, raising the official price of the product would only require more cash when scalpers are doing their buying.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

qchris wrote: post #400
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #41

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It's great for my farming robot though. We have plenty of power but want something small and reliable, and the Raspberry Pi Compute Module works wonders for this. More power will be welcome once they release a Compute Module version of the 5.

Is there a reason you're not interested in those NVIDIA Jetson modules? Even excluding the GPU compute, I had thought the Orin boards were significantly faster than a Pi 4.

So for what we’re using it for, which is handling Wi-Fi communications to a central server, handling CAN bus communications to four motor controllers, dealing with RTK GPS and calculating path following parameters for GPS paths, the raspberry pi is perfect. They are cheap, have excellent documentation, and until recently availability was no issue.

Jetson boards are much more expensive. We do plan on making a computer vision add on for our robot which uses the Orin or similar to process images, but I find the raspberry pi perfect for sort of stitching the whole system together.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by extraduder_ire »

fanf2 wrote: post #499
michaeltimo wrote: post #438

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Finding older models were also almost impossible in the past two years. It's unlikely that Raspberry Pi 5 will solve the issue. But even so, it's not a wise move because what is the point of bringing a new model when they can't make it available to normal people?

The Raspberry Pi 5 will only be for sale to individuals until the end of this year (no industrial customers competing for inventory like the older models)

Plus, they're only launching the 4/8gb models to start. So there'll be another wave of cheaper ones a little later. Really hoping they still hit the $35 price point on the 1gb model.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by justin66 »

Dah00n wrote: post #603
justin66 wrote: post #586

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> At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). Some small fraction of one percent of "the hobbyist community" has done as you've suggested. You're in some kind of odroid bubble.

So what did all those people that couldn't get a RPI do? Stop doing stuff or did they move on? I'm pretty sure the other brands saw a big uptick in sales but if you know otherwise please do share as I have no numbers to back anything up.

It's true that the last few years have been rough for new users, but if they were already "doing stuff" with a Pi, why would they need to stop?

> I'm pretty sure the other brands saw a big uptick in sales

They probably had massive upticks in sales, which for them might have been quite significant but relative to the total Pi user base, not at all.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by extraduder_ire »

adolph wrote: post #521
numpad0 wrote: post #485

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I think it's completely acceptable so long that a legacy compatible "Pi SE" options would be available, in Pi 3 and Pi 4 form factors. Raspberry Pi are used installed as components into third party engineered products, and Raspberry Pi brand holds no value to potential industrial customers if new products did not technologically exchange with existing such products. That is to say the exact mounting details, electric…

There's nothing stopping a person from putting an ESP on a RPi B board format (or a Zero one), other than certain IO limitation. The upcoming P4 might be a candidate [0]. If you are interested in sbc in Pi form factors (B, Zero, CM3, CM4), then something I follow is CNX [1]. It will typically have notifications of any new Orange Pi, Libre Computer, etc. 0. https://www.espressif.com/en/news/ESP32-P4 1. https://www.cnx…

It would be amusing if they used a pi2040 chip to drive the IO pins on such a board. I'm sure there's cheaper chips out there to do this.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Chatting wrote: post #377

I question whether it's wise to launch a new product before the supply chain issues which have plagued Raspberry Pi for years have been fully resolved. Granted, the situation has improved slightly over the past few months. But you will still find Pi 4s out of stock more often than not. The CEO said last year not to expect a Pi 5 in 2023, because they wanted to take the time to recover. Why the u-turn? https://www.the…

"Don't expect it" to "launching Q4 for individual buyers" isn't really a u-turn.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by epolanski »

badtension wrote: post #307

I wonder if anyone here is using RPi as a main PC? Seems to be capable of most office work with a bit of multimedia on the side. My laptop is dying and I would love to get something stationary that is low-power by default yet good enough so that the internet wouldn't lag. Mounted at the back of an LCD screen could make a nice wireless setup with the other peripherals.

I think for many devs that can use dev containers or codespaces is more than okay.

Would not do heavy computing on it though, eslint alone for my use cases already kills my 8 core 7700x

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by justin66 »

belthesar wrote: post #616
justin66 wrote: post #542

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Seriously dude, why would you even want a new aarch64 SBC when you could buy a used NUC off ebay or just use a laptop you pulled out of a dumpster?

Honest answer: I want systems in my house that have a better power to work ratio than I can get from a used laptop or NUC, but can still burst to high power when needed for workloads that either have bursty compute demands, or on the rare occasion I run a consistent high-demand workload. That said, the RPi5 doesn't fit the bill for me. Since replacing an old workstation for secondary/media computer in my office, and…

I'm pretty sure I could do all that with an array of stolen business PCs, after I machined the serial numbers off. It would be cheaper for sure.

Apologies if it wasn't clear, my original comment was a joke. It's becoming a pet peeve that comments about used computers, presumably from users in the third- or even the fourth-world (?) where money is really tight, dumb down just about every thread related to Raspberry Pi.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by aseipp »

bradfa wrote: post #470
irusensei wrote: post #464

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That's true as long as you don't mind using modified vendor supplied operating systems. Most of these advanced boards will lock you into some patched Ubuntu version. So far from the ones I've worked only the Pi and a patched Rockpro64 allows you to boot some generic USB installer from UEFI and have the system your way with mainline kernel support.

I didn't see any mention of UEFI in my first read through about the Pi 5. Did I just miss it? I would like to have a quiet and reasonably performant ARM aarch64 box at this price point, but only if it supports UEFI without needing to resort to silly EFI system partition tricks (which the Pi 4 required, last I knew).

The RPi4 has had a functional port of TianoCore for a while now, which is likely what they were referring to. You can use e.g. generic aarch64 UEFI Fedora images out of the box with it.

https://github.com/pftf/RPi4

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by extraduder_ire »

arwhatever wrote: post #587
danbee wrote: post #458

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You won't have to. They can all be stacked.

Then surely there must be competition or a record for “tallest ever,” hopefully requiring each layer to be functional.

I think you can have over a hundred different i2c devices connected to the same bus, so it'd get pretty tall if you can power them all. 10-bit i2c (not very common) can do almost a thousand.

Although, you'd need specific rules if you wanted to prevent someone just layering up always-on LED boards.

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