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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by xen2xen1 »

OJFord wrote: post #597
FireBeyond wrote: post #547

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> Macs ship with SIP enabled and it's easy to disable, I don't know what the (comparable) issue is there? I generally use a Mac too, connected to Linux systems, but from the last time I disabled Secure Boot on a PC, the process was press F2 for Setup, go to the System tab in the BIOS, and uncheck Secure Boot, Save. It's not particularly harder than a Mac: Restart in Recovery Mode, Launch a terminal, `csrutil disable`…

I was trying to turn it on, not off, because it was required for Windows 11 upgrade. That involves going into the BIOS, being perplexed by key generation options and obscure acronyms, trying my best, ending up with an unbootable computer, and having to remove CMOS battery and short a couple of jumper pins to reset the BIOS (battery pull alone was insufficient). A non-technical user could disable SIP, though they'd ne…

If you needed key generation to install Windows 11 you did it wrong? I know you do for new Linux kernels and things, but why for Windows 11?

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

executesorder66 wrote: post #586
timbit42 wrote: post #489

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What's new about them? They have always been crap.

I thought the sarcasm would be more obvious. Why would anyone love this change? I was making fun of all the idiots that always comment "loving the new microsoft" when in fact, as you say, nothing is new, and they are as shit as ever.

To denote sarcasm without the /s tag simply aLtErNaTe like so!

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by heleninboodler »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #620
heleninboodler wrote: post #498

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My ThinkPad running linux gets absolutely fantastic battery life with the exception that when I close it and put it in my backpack, I have about a 25% chance of discovering later that, while closed, it turned the screen on and and ran the fans at full speed to kill the battery because it was, I don't know... bored of being in a bag?

I've noticed once in a blue moon, my thinkpad will get the screen state reversed if I close and open it too fast, interrupting the standby sequence. I wonder if its bouncing open in the bag? Mine's a 4th gen X1 carbon with an ancient Antergos install from 2016 that I converted to normal arch after they closed the project. i3wm, probably some thinkpad specific tweaks from the arch wiki but the machine is so damn stabl…

> I wonder if its bouncing open in the bag?

Definitely not physically possible in my bag. I've chalked it up to the fact that linux desktop environments are just a total hodgepodge of weird components with unclear responsibility boundaries that couldn't possibly handle all the edge cases properly when you stick them all together. This leads to stuff like the fact that if I suspend my laptop with an external monitor connected, but then un-suspend it without that external monitor connected, I'm often presented with a lock screen that I can't actually interact with, forcing me to either seek out a monitor or switch over to text console to log in and kill my session.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by efreak »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #572
babypuncher wrote: post #533

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It's not a fundamental design flaw, this will happen with every device that ships with a modern rechargeable battery. Android does the exact same thing now, but I don't see people boycotting Google over it. The problem was that Apple didn't communicate this to the user. People didn't know why their phone was slow.

I haven't actually seen Google specifically call out that their devices will be throttled in a year or two. I'd be curious to see thatif you have a link though, I haven't kept as up to date with the more recent pixel devices.

Anecdotally: a while back while I was running a long build in termux in a warm room with my tablet plugged in to charge, I got a notification that my device was being throttled to prevent thermal damage. I wouldn't be surprised if this was common I haven't gotten such a message since, however I also don't have a habit of building software on my tablet (I have a vague memory that whatever it was didn't offer a cross compilation method outside of qemu/emulation)

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by gramie »

sgjohnson wrote: post #612
gramie wrote: post #562

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Yes, but the dialog doesn't tell you what to do if you do want to run the code. Why would I think that clicking "Open" in the popup menu would do anything different from double-clicking? Also, an individual Microsoft Store cert is $19 (one-time, not per year), and a company account is $99.

So what? The average user is going to assume that it can’t be run (which is a good thing, as we don’t want people to run random unsigned binaries they find on the internet), and the tech-savvy ones will find a way. It’s not like Apple is stopping you from running it. 1 quick google search and there you go. It’s a good design, in my opinion.

> the tech-savvy ones will find a way

That doesn't sound like good design to me.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

nyanpasu64 wrote: post #166
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #119

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I don't know if it's still happening, but for a while windows updates were helpfully "fixing" the EFI boot partition (or maybe it was a boot firmware thing, I never figured it out) by making windows primary and breaking my Linux entry . My friends would be like "do you want to play games?" and I'd be like "yeah hang on while I make some boot media so I can recover afterwards."

This bullshit still happens with the latest version of Windows 11. I found that I had to demote Windows Boot Manager to a lower position in my EFI boot order, whereas removing it completely from my boot order and removing the boot entry cause Windows to install itself as first priority the moment it booted. I have not tried retaining the boot entry (skipping efibootmgr -b0000 -B) but removing it from the boot order (…

Yeah that smells like it. It's like excuse me, whose computer did you think this is?

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by bombcar »

alvarezbjm-hn wrote: post #382
freeAgent wrote: post #332

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It must be a soul crushing job to spend all one’s time justifying anti-user features with corporate doublespeak.

For some people. For some of us it comes more naturally (Making BS statements to justify some hostile policy)

“For you, the PR was the worst thing that ever happened to you, for me it was Tuesday.”

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by 9935c101ab17a66 »

SebastianKra wrote: post #305
acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

The issue with iPhone batteries was one of communication — what they were doing, they still do, as do all smartphone manufactures, because it’s just a downside of lithium batteries.

> the no-iCloud experience

What?

> The way regular Bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work better.

I… I don’t see how this is apple’s fault. Bluetooth, as a standard, is obviously limiting. Apple, making both headphones and the devices that play audio, had an opportunity to offer a better product to their customers if you use other apple devices. That’s fine, and I would argue, eminently reasonable. I just don’t get what you’re driving at here, would love to hear more.

The reason I like apple is that, in vague general terms, their interests as a company often align with my interests as a consumer.

Yes, you can argue that apple has made changes in safari detrimental to google for business reasons. But shit, I’m happy about that. The less data my phone silently sends off to google, the better.

Maybe I’ve just fallen for their ploy, but I do actually really like the apple products I own (and I often try the non-apple alternatives because I love tech). No company is perfect, and I know they aren’t my friend or don’t care about me. But until I feel apples interests diverge from my own significantly, I’ll find alternatives.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by simion314 »

Animats wrote: post #446
simion314 wrote: post #333

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>Canonical already did that, when they dropped Flatpak support to force people to go through their "Snap Store". You mean not installing it by default? This does make sense for me personally I never had good experience with flatpacks or snapped desktop apps. Snap CLI tools worked great for me on server.

Then your install instructions start with "first install Flatpak". This is unacceptable for an end user program. If you use the "Snap Store", you're imprisoned in a walled garden and subject to arbitrary decisions by Canonical, Inc.[1] They also take a cut if you charge for an app. [1] https://ubuntu.com/legal/developer-terms-and-conditions

And is Flatpack so hard to install? I use not flatpacks and probably many are like me, why should we get 10 different package managers installed because some minority wants it's prefered one pre-installed.

Anyway I was right, it was FUD, you were referring about not beeing installed by default. Can you maybe do a self-diagnostic and find out why you spread FUD? Would it be nice if I would do the same about Flatpack or your distro? (Do not respond, just analyze this and maybe realize you can be better)

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by sgjohnson »

gramie wrote: post #635
sgjohnson wrote: post #612

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So what? The average user is going to assume that it can’t be run (which is a good thing, as we don’t want people to run random unsigned binaries they find on the internet), and the tech-savvy ones will find a way. It’s not like Apple is stopping you from running it. 1 quick google search and there you go. It’s a good design, in my opinion.

> the tech-savvy ones will find a way That doesn't sound like good design to me.

The average user has no need whatsoever to run unsigned code on macOS. Or on Windows for that matter, but code signing on Windows doesn't really matter as nobody reads those popups anyway.
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