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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by pseudalopex »

seydor wrote: post #622
pseudalopex wrote: post #601

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Polls I saw were very active for their groups. People who opposed going private has equal opportunity to vote. People who abstained abstained. More important votes are decided all the time by the people who cared enough to vote. r/modCoord has negative comments minutes to days old. Criticism is not banned evidently. How did the banned protest the protest? Are the protesting moderators allowed any moderation of their…

> Are the protesting moderators allowed any moderation of their coordination channels in your mind No idea it is their channel The issue is, they should not be allowed to coordinate site-wide. The whole point of subreddits is to have separate competing communities, not to coordinate.

> The whole point of subreddits is to have separate competing communities, not to coordinate.

Who said this? And what made their wishes law?

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by truemoose »

rwetgerger wrote: post #107
chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

I only use Reddit logged out. Are there any apps that give me the same logged out experience with Lemmy?

The official Android app, Jerboa, doesn't require an account at all and defaults to anonymous browsing.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by jasonladuke0311 »

tyg13 wrote: post #352
Firmwarrior wrote: post #301

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What tools do they actually need? It seems to me like Reddit mods mostly automatically ban people for participating in subs they don't like. Last time they went on strike en-masse they were upset that Reddit didn't give mods more ability to track and spy on users in an Orwellian fashion I made one comment on an anti-parent hate subreddit to try and explain why I thought they were wrong to automatically hate people fo…

It's sad to see comments like these. It just reminds me that people will so readily take the work of others for granted. The thing about the work mods do is that it's mostly invisible. If mods are doing their job, spam is getting deleted, reports are being serviced, and no one notices a thing. The subreddit seems to be working fine without them! It'd be easy to trick yourself into thinking they provide no utility. Ev…

> I've had my posts removed by power tripping mods maybe a handful of times.

I thought this too until I went to Reveddit one day and WOW there was a lot of stuff silently removed without disappearing from my user history.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by rblatz »

blendergeek wrote: post #109
rblatz wrote: post #29

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Also most people don’t really care about the API/3rd party app thing. It doesn’t impact them and it looks from the outside like a bunch of dorks with no lives getting worked up over nothing. I’ve been on Reddit since the digg migration and I’ve never felt the need for an app, old.reddit.com and Adblock works perfectly fine on the phone. Better than Reddit’s mobile site.

> old.reddit.com and Adblock works perfectly fine on the phone. Better than Reddit’s mobile site. What if I told you that Reddit is going to do away with 'old.reddit.com' next?

Either I switch to the new interface and be grumpy about it for a few weeks until I get used to it, or I stop going on Reddit and spend less time mindlessly consuming content? Or maybe I spend more time on TikTok/Instagram short form video? I’m not really worried about the bad spez taking away my reddits.

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Post by idiotsecant »

mvdtnz wrote: post #548
Firmwarrior wrote: post #301

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What tools do they actually need? It seems to me like Reddit mods mostly automatically ban people for participating in subs they don't like. Last time they went on strike en-masse they were upset that Reddit didn't give mods more ability to track and spy on users in an Orwellian fashion I made one comment on an anti-parent hate subreddit to try and explain why I thought they were wrong to automatically hate people fo…

Absolutely agree with you. My experience with Reddit moderators is that they are largely abusive, arrogant egomaniacs and I have absolutely zero sympathy for their hardship caused by lack of API access.

This is pretty much like people who say that we could just get rid of the police because all they do is harass everyone all day anyway.

Users in a well behaved system never notice the fantastic amount of work that goes into keeping the system well behaved. If you do your job right as few people as possible know you exist. It's the dilemma of the maintainer: extremely vital component of the system who everyone thinks does nothing in the best case and enraged at when something breaks in the worst case.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by idiotsecant »

ryanSrich wrote: post #510
danudey wrote: post #98

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It doesn't affect them directly , but the moderation tools a lot of subreddits need are built into third-party apps because Reddit refuses to build mod tools itself, and when those stop working then the job of moderating large and active subreddits will become vastly more cumbersome and frustrating, and far less efficient. Maybe this issue only affects 0.1% of users, but those 0.1% of users do a lot for the site that…

“…but the moderation tools a lot of subreddits need are built into third-party apps because Reddit refuses to build mod tools itself” Why should the users care? Less moderation and more open speech would drastically improve most subreddits. This seems like it’s more and more just tantrum throwing from mods who almost feel embarrassed they’ve devoted thousands of hours of free work to a corporation that literally does…

Less moderation doesn't mean we turn into some Ayn Rand-ian bastion of free speech and justice and the american way. It means you see more onlyfans spam and ads for VPNs.

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Post by BashiBazouk »

truemoose wrote: post #629
BashiBazouk wrote: post #194

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The problem with the Fediverse as it currently stands is it goes against my long time use of forums. I'm usually only logged in on a desktop where I would post comments from. Most of my reading happens on pad, mobile or work where I have little desire to log in and in the case of a work computer I refuse to log in to anything personal. Kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing...

Not sure why you couldn't continue doing so with Lemmy. Like reddit, you only need an account to participate, not browse.

Ya, I figured that out when I decided to give it a go and sign up. It takes two screens that look like one needs to sign up (just about everywhere else on the net would require it with a similar screen) but then it lets you pick a server without signing up. There is a big improvement they could implement: make it more obvious with less screens that you can browse without logging in...

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Post by seydor »

pseudalopex wrote: post #631
seydor wrote: post #622

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> Are the protesting moderators allowed any moderation of their coordination channels in your mind No idea it is their channel The issue is, they should not be allowed to coordinate site-wide. The whole point of subreddits is to have separate competing communities, not to coordinate.

> The whole point of subreddits is to have separate competing communities, not to coordinate. Who said this? And what made their wishes law?

basic logic?

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by LexiMax »

jasode wrote: post #617
Accujack wrote: post #551

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This is actually as designed, and is a good thing. It creates the possibility for a business model where subscribers pay for access to a big news spool and lots of groups. Just like USENet. There will be some growing pains, but there will eventually be a continuum of "free" lemmy servers, for pay premium ones, and lemmy servers where the front end is only an app on your phone. And they'll all see the same messages.

>And they'll all see the same messages. I think you should re-evaluate that assumption: https://www.google.com/search?q=mastodon+instances+blocks+ga... https://www.google.com/search?q=mastodon+blocklists https://www.google.com/search?q=mastodon+blacklists https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/kw8jht/how_do_i_s... Also, expand the ">Moderated servers" heading and scroll down through the instances they block: http…

> The "pick any server, it doesn't make any difference, you'll see _all_ messages anyway" -- is not realistic given that each fediverse node administrator can exercise their freedom to choose what messages their server accepts.

That is true, but most Mastodon apps make multi-accounting a breeze, and I imagine the Lemmy ecosystem will provide the same functionality.

It also helps that Lemmy is trying to court the userbase of Reddit, who are already a pseudo-anonymous lot and in my experience don't seem to have as much of an attachment to their old content as Twitter users, deleting their old posts and accounts on a regular basis.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by truemoose »

_8j50 wrote: post #205
chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

Lemmy is a good idea with a terrible name and a misunderstanding of the experience users look for, much like mastodon. For example, I will never join any of these services but I will browse r/All, many lurkers drive traffic and reddit would be almost nothing without r/All which I can't figure out if lemmy has.

At the top of the front page of any Lemmy instance (e.g., lemmy.world), you'll see a green and white button that reads, "[ Subscribed | Local | All ]. Just click All and you'll be looking at the feed equivalent of r/all. It will display the feed from all federated instances combined.
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