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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by pnpnp »

borissk wrote: post #143
pnpnp wrote: post #132

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Counter point, I drove a new German car and had the turbo blow up (this was an "economy" car) within 4,000 miles. I still loved that car, but ICE engines have an order of magnitude more points of failure.

True, but car industry has an order of magnitude more experience making ICE engines and turbo blow up on a new car is extremely rare. Doesn't really matter, obviously EVs are the future.

This thought just came to me, but industrial electric motors have been around a loooong time.

I think the growing pains we are seeing is that new companies are trying to build cars, and don’t have the experience of traditional automakers.

There’s a heck of a lot of institutional knowledge that goes into integrating all the components of a car. The newcomers have simplified a lot of it, but are definitely hitting some of the stumbling blocks of old.

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Post by ck2 »

wilg wrote: post #226
ck2 wrote: post #92

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I've often wished there was some kind of tiny beacon cyclists and pedestrians could carry to electronically alert those kinds of cars/drivers. Yeah it's incorrectly shifting the responsibility to the victim but at this point whatever prevents injury/death/stress. The problem is it would be abused to trick drivers.

No need, the cars already see cyclists and pedestrians and have emergency braking. A transponder system is just a worse version of the existing solution.

The cars don't see cyclists and pedestrians consistently or in time or interpret them correctly.

All Tesla sensors have been reduced to just cameras which can fail in weather, fog, rain, snow.

Remember Musk outsources safety for savings/profit as someone else's expensive problem.

A beacon could save lives for those who are active and willing to carry it as one extra level of protection.

But like I said the problem is spoofing for those that want to be an irritant.

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Post by Xenoamorphous »

jlundberg wrote: post #476
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #275

I’m really surprised about this. I live in the capital city of an European country (~50M people) and I don’t think I’ve seen even one, maybe it’s not sold here? I see a fair number of model 3 and a few S, though.

The Model Y looks a lot like the Model 3. Took me maybe 50 cars of training to learn to recognise the difference when passing Teslas on the streets.. but now I finally do! :)

This might be it! I didn’t know they were so similar. I’ll pay more attention.

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Post by thdespou »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #562
hiatus wrote: post #533

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What car do you have that costs 1/7th the price of a tesla and has no maintenance required whatsoever (including oil changes)?

Suzuki Alto You can buy it new for 7,300 euros taxes included in Italy. Full optional. I change oil more or less every 20,000 kms, which is more than two years driving for me. I change it myself, I only need to buy the oil that costs about 20-25 euros for a full change. Other than that, the car is basically maintenance free.

Suzuki's are the best. Reliable, cheap and maintenance free.

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Post by bitsoda »

innocentoldguy wrote: post #320
bushbaba wrote: post #208

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Have you driven an id4? Similar to Tesla the id platform was built for EVs.

I'm a huge fan of VW, but the ID.4 is pretty gutless compared to any Tesla model. That may appeal to some people, but I like speeding; a lot.

The 2024 ID.4 will likely have an option for their new APP550 motor which will produce 282 hp and a maximum torque of 406 lb-ft. This should help bring it in line with the Y, but probably at a higher cost initially until they can scale production.

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Post by buffington »

moneywoes wrote: post #630
buffington wrote: post #602

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I always considered our Model 3 as a second car because we mostly just drove it for local errands and commuting, and I assumed it just didn't have the range to do more. We recently decided to use for a 2000+ mile road trip instead of using our ICE minivan, and I was blown away with how well the Tesla did as a long road trip vehicle. We had no range anxiety because of the Super Charger network, and stopping to charge…

Does this work in the cold as well?

I've not done a similar trip in the cold.

On local trips in the cold (where it's frequently below 0F) I've not noticed any difference in power. It may very well have reduced specs but I'd never no. I've not been motivated to test it with snow, ice, and other cars on the road.

If I were driving 280+ miles per day in the dead of winter I'm sure I'd notice since the range does seem to shrink in the cold. Then again, I've never been impacted by that since I only drive about 40-80 miles a day at most on a typical day.

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Post by ryantgtg »

robin_reala wrote: post #255
ryantgtg wrote: post #146

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But if I take BMW, I see they currently have three all electric models on offer: iX, i7, i4.

…and the i5, iX3 and iX1.

Hmm ok. But one of those isn’t out yet and the other two are not available in the US. I don’t think that fits the narrative I’m responding to.

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Post by ryantgtg »

oblio wrote: post #310
robin_reala wrote: post #255

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…and the i5, iX3 and iX1.

And I think about 5 more models, at least, on the way until 2025.

The models that aren’t out yet don’t count in this discussion about brands selling fewer of an individual model because the brand has more models available.

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Post by Phrodo_00 »

Hamuko wrote: post #396
Phrodo_00 wrote: post #368

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What about the Corolla GR and Yaris GR, though?

They’re definitely Toyota cars but not really sports cars. They’re just hot versions of the Corolla and Yaris, which are definitely not sports cars. Unless we also define the Tesla Model S Plaid, BMW M3 and the Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG as sports cars.

The Yaris GR is not a hot version of the Yaris. It's designed as a homologation special with a new chasis (there's no regular 3 door Yaris) and engine. Calling it a hot yaris is a bit like calling the Renault 5 Turbo a hot Renault 5.

The Corolla is closer to a hot Corolla as it uses the same chasis.

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Post by ryantgtg »

tapoxi wrote: post #247
resolutebat wrote: post #173

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If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. We were originally leaning towards getting a Polestar, but the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.

I drive an ID4 after looking at the Model Y. It's a ground up EV and a solid competitor. As a family crossover it's great. The software is pretty dumb but that's mostly avoided thanks to wireless Android Auto and CarPlay. What won me over: Rear window was easier to see through, the above mentioned Carplay/AA support, not a fan of Tesla's extreme minimalism extending to things like air vents, brand tainted by Musk.

I have a Y, and yeah the back window is a slit. Especially noticeable driving at night. It’s frustrating.
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