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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by crumpled »

beachy wrote: post #587
crumpled wrote: post #579

I only occasionally use Edge on a machine where I use Firefox because it has similar API support as Chrome. (I only need it for like one web site). I've never needed Edge on any machine where I have Chrome, but I'm not installing chrome on any new system. M$FT wants me to install a dev build of Edge if I want to try Bing chat on Linux? Dream on. No Google or Microsoft applications on my Linux machine, thanks.

Funny, I had the same experience the other day as I tried to get me my first taste of some AI. Knew nothing so thought I'd start with Bing chat. Immediately blocked by the need to run an MS browser on my fedora machine, so Bing chat lost me instantly likely forever.

FWIW, There is a Bing app for Android. I trust a .APK install/uninstall more than a .DEB or .MSI install/uninstall, thanks to the security sandbox.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by 0x457 »

seydor wrote: post #400
thesuitonym wrote: post #328

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You sound like a person who never even tried. Open Settings > Safari > Default Browser App, and select the app you want. It's really that easy.

I suppose you aren't aware that they are all the same browser because apple doesn't allow competing browser engines

They are the same, but Firefox on my iPad syncs with my real firefox on: linux, windows and android. I can send tabs to and from it, sync passwords etc. What rendering engine is used is completely irrelevant to me most of the time.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by hosteur »

katbyte wrote: post #345
can16358p wrote: post #145

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Yup. I'm on macOS and while Apple has its own weird and hostile behavior, it's still much better than Microsoft.

What parts of macos do you consider hostile behaviour?

This: https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by crumpled »

crumpled wrote: post #631
beachy wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I had the same experience the other day as I tried to get me my first taste of some AI. Knew nothing so thought I'd start with Bing chat. Immediately blocked by the need to run an MS browser on my fedora machine, so Bing chat lost me instantly likely forever.

FWIW, There is a Bing app for Android. I trust a .APK install/uninstall more than a .DEB or .MSI install/uninstall, thanks to the security sandbox.

Wait you said Fedora. Replace .DEB with .RPM, obviously.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by GauntletWizard »

Eisenstein wrote: post #508
gtirloni wrote: post #244

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We often look at companies as a single monolith but that isn't conductive to productive discussions. OP is giving a different perspective, a more detailed and granular one. One interest counterpoint would be that the problematic behavior is encouraged by the CEO, then the different units wouldn't matter much (well, unless they have a tendency to go rogue). Anyway, all idle speculation on my part but I welcome the per…

A friendly nitpick: the word 'conductive' is a physics term. The term which means "tending to promote or assist" is 'conducive' with no 't', pronounced 'cundoosiv'. > Something conducive "leads to" a desirable result. A cozy living room may be conducive to relaxed conversation, just as a boardroom may be conducive to more intense discussions. Particular tax policies are often conducive to savings and investment, wher…

Pedantry around the meaning of words with common stems is against the code of conduct. In other words, do Conduits not conduct water?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by lallysingh »

ghostly_s wrote: post #586
happytiger wrote: post #558

You can't embrace open source, stand for freedom on the Internet, and simultaneously engage in dark patterns like this without destroying user trust. And trust with users is the currency of the 21st century as much as data is the new oil. Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. There was this incredible move towards open source, and embracing the modern web, and…

Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

So.. how does everyone feel about their stuff on GitHub right now?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by staunton »

jmartrican wrote: post #601
grey_earthling wrote: post #598

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> Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. They stand for weary resignation. Same as Google and Amazon. For most people, they're just there, and you can't not use them, so what can you do? They can be as dodgy as they like, because when you point out what they're doing, most people will just be confused about why you're complaining, because you may as well be rail…

Add Adobe to that list.

Add every single big company in the world to that list.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by 0x457 »

nottorp wrote: post #266
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #132

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> Were they ever different tho? According to many people on HN, they changed completely, and they have nothing to do with the old epoch of Ballmer and Gates. Yet, I was never convinced by the "but they embrace open source now" argument: * their financing of SCO in the "Linux is illegal" ridiculous attempt to discredit their competition that took over a decade * the contempt for their users in various ways, from gray…

> According to many people on HN, they changed completely, and they have nothing to do with the old epoch of Ballmer and Gates. Yeah right. Why is there spam on my windows 10 start menu? > Instead, in 2023 you have to still install Windows first to avoid problems. You do? Got a new Linux desktop. I'll eventually put Windows on it. I was planning on installing it on a separate SSD just in case. Will that destroy my Li…

I have rEFInd installed on window's EFI partition, and it boots either windows or linux (on separate drive though). It's been like that since skylake came out, and I never had issues with it.

As long as you're not installing linux bootloader in the same EFI partition, it's not going to cause any issues. If you're using MBR, then you should probably stop doing it.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by trinsic2 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #295
dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

I disagree with your premise. I have an iPhone (forced upon me by work) and it's ridiculous how many links still try to open in safari or Apple maps. I've tried to configure it for years and I've literally uninstalled Apple maps, but half the time iPhone keeps wanting me to reinstall it when I click a link or address. And a lot of url links open in safari instead of chrome or Firefox. Same with many other things - I…

There all doing the same shit just in vary levels of degree and focus. If anyone thinks different, they are only fooling themselves.

Apple is the most user-hostile company I have ever seen from a individual freedom centric standpoint, but they are good at hiding it. They think everyone outside of the organization should follow their line of thinking. Apple wants to be the gatekeeper of everything and that doesn't work in a free society. Deep down, I think people want to be free of external influence. Microsoft only cares about maximizing profits and doing whatever it takes to get there. I guess there is no difference between the two except that apple tries to justify there behavior behind a superiority complex.

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