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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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If you want to time gate your episodes with your friends you're still welcome to coordinate that with them. Lots of couples do this too ("Don't watch until we can do it together") but personally, no matter how excited I am for a show, if a streaming platform withholds episodes so that they can better manage social media and stretch out advertising I'll just wait until the whole thing is out before I even start watchi…

> If you want to time gate your episodes with your friends you're still welcome to coordinate that with them. That feels somewhat naive. People don't only belong to one friendship group. > if a streaming platform withholds episodes so that they can better manage social media and stretch out advertising I'll just wait until the whole thing is out before I even start watching. Sounds like it works out for everyone, the…

> That feels somewhat naive. People don't only belong to one friendship group.

We did exactly that during pandemic lockdowns. We used a browser extension that let us sync our netflix viewing while we had a live chat running during the show. It meant we could all talk about the last episode during the week and people had something to look forward to. It's perfectly do-able unless you're actually trying to keep your friend groups segregated for some reason, like you've got friends that won't do anything with some of your other friends.

> Sounds like it works out for everyone, then:

It might, except that streaming companies are too stupid to take a long view on ratings. Amazon for example canceled The Tick because they didn't get enough views in the weeks immediately following release. By the time I (and many many others) got around to watching and enjoying it, they'd already made up their mind that it was a failure.

When platforms withhold episodes I'm moving on to something else and it could be a long time before I make it back around to them. If they chase me away from a show and I have to find one that respects my time and that one has got 5-6 seasons, or if instead I pick up a video game that I'll put 150+ hours into it could easily be months before I get back to whatever they are heavily promoting and tracking this instant, assuming something new doesn't catch my interest and take priority.

Release whole seasons at once, and people who want to time gate can start right away and take longer to finish, while people who binge can finish in a weekend and everyone else can go at their own pace, but in any case it's more eyeballs within the same timeframe.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Netflix: ”You get two parallel streams with your family. Family means trust and password sharing.“ Customers: “Farewell pirating. We pay a fair flat and it is automatically shared between Netflix and artists. Great!“ Netflix: “We increase the flat permanently. And we have now competitors and doesn’t over anymore all relevant content (e.g. Star Trek Picard, Expanse, Disney). How about ruining it and blocking family me…

Users need to accept that Netflix was never going to be profitable that way. We had a taste of that amount of content at that price, but it simply can't be economically done.

Consumers do not exist so that companies can be profitable, and are not required to accept anything of the sort.

What a vampiric, corporate lickspittle point of view.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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> I think the issue is that people who are paying for an account they are sharing are likely to keep the account active so their family members can continue watching. When the family are cut off, they cancel. That's the case for me indeed. I myself basically stopped watching Netflix, somehow the content doesn't do anything for me anymore. But I shared my account with family and they watch it. If this gets to us, and…

Interesting you say that the content doesn't appeal to you anymore. I feel the same way. My observation is that, for the most part, most of Netflix's original content is reality TV and comedy specials. They don't even seem to be bothering to create great content like Stranger Things anymore. We are at the enshittification of Netflix stage.

People are really sleeping on how amazing HBO Max is. Their catalog is so damn good.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Netflix: ”You get two parallel streams with your family. Family means trust and password sharing.“ Customers: “Farewell pirating. We pay a fair flat and it is automatically shared between Netflix and artists. Great!“ Netflix: “We increase the flat permanently. And we have now competitors and doesn’t over anymore all relevant content (e.g. Star Trek Picard, Expanse, Disney). How about ruining it and blocking family me…

Users need to accept that Netflix was never going to be profitable that way. We had a taste of that amount of content at that price, but it simply can't be economically done.

Netflix has been profitable for years…

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users need to accept that Netflix was never going to be profitable that way. We had a taste of that amount of content at that price, but it simply can't be economically done.

Consumers do not exist so that companies can be profitable, and are not required to accept anything of the sort. What a vampiric, corporate lickspittle point of view.

Also it has been profitable for years

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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> society is not getting a commensurate return on investment. What investment is “society” making in tv shows and movies?

The cost (or part of the cost) of the law enforcement apparatus around copyright.

I'm quite sure that the tax receipts from the sale, rental, and performance of the copyrighted material more than adequately covers the portion of those costs borne by society. (In fact, that's probably a fair part of the reason that government is willing to support lengthy and obstructive copyright protections: because it adds government revenue far in excess of the cost.)

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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The only reason I don’t cancel my Netflix is because between a few households, we get just enough viewing out of it to keep the subscription. Prime, Apple, Disney and Sky have got better content. (Actually, I just remembered that my Netflix is now bundled with Sky, so I guess I’ll be keeping it for that reason.)

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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According to a TF article in 2012 - https://torrentfreak.com/top-bittorrent-countries-in-the-wor... - Spain was one of the top 10 countries of torrent downloaders. Is there any statistics of torrent users (by country) for 2023? It will be interesting to see if those million outraged spanish Netflix users have now turned to torrenting Netflix shows.

Are torrents even the primary methods of piracy now? That's an actual question: I get the impression that a lot of piracy has switched to grey market file hosting and streaming sites, but I don't have the perspective to say if that's accurate.

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Of course. Around 10 euros that divided by 4 means 2.5 euros a month per user (or 2 divided by 5, it's unlikely that 4 people are watching at the same time) is a fair price, the cost of 2 coffee, you say screw it I pay so I can just take my remote and watch whatever I want. Reason why they made success. For more than that, for example you have to pay a full subscription of 10 euros, you consider going back to piratin…

I don't miss the days of torrenting. The thing that still stands out in my mind is having to slog my way through tons of pornographic advertising and popups to find a single actually working torrent link.

I've been using the internet for over 30 years. Last 20 years I do not remember seeing a single ad. How do you even download torrent? The torrent sites are just texts based magnet links.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

As Netflix says, they end up with more subscribers at the end of the day. I'm sure all these services will follow suit once they reach some point of growth, or rather a halt to growth. It's kind of crazy they've let it go on this long. It's weird people actually have the gall to complain about this move like they feel they deserve to get things for free. Either you pay for the service and password-sharing doesn't aff…

How do you know they’ll end with more subscribers?
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