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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

lesuorac wrote: post #349
bombcar wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were 40k suicides in the USA in 2020, and about 20k murders. So statistically, if you die by violence, you killed yourself.

Idk about these numbers. ~38k people died in USA [1] from car crashes. Thats pretty violent but doesn't necessarily count as murder or suicide. [1]: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/Publication/8132... .

Car crashes aren't typically included in "violent deaths", because the definition of "violence" typically includes intent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence

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Post by zenlikethat »

dmode wrote: post #323

Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

No, you're not the only one. While I don't like the depressing level of homelessness, mental illness, and drug addiction, I generally haven't felt nearly as unsafe as people always play up. If there's a volatile situation around, GTFO, and don't walk in dark neighborhoods at night, de-escalate, that kind of thing helps a lot of course.

Also, why do we never factor gun violence into these conversations about safety? In SF there are relatively few people walking around strapped. I looked it up, and in my hometown of Louisville, KY (which is no Detroit or Baltimore), there were about 130 gun injuries/deaths per 100k in a recent year -- in SF, about 30! Which is worse, getting shot, or avoiding poop on the sidewalk?

But also, for what it's worth, I'm a reasonably tall white guy. I think that affects how many unsafe situations I'm likely to encounter A LOT.

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Post by clsec »

BurningFrog wrote: post #515
magicalist wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your statement could just as easily be, on a different day: "Y'all abandoned the city for the suburbs and deprived the city of a tax base to help the poor." That's a different situation from this one, so, sure, if that's something that happened and then you're complaining about the place you don't live anymore, sure, that's also a statement that could be made. > Between "white flight" and "colonizer/gentrifier", yo…

> > Between "white flight" and "colonizer/gentrifier", you're damned if you do and damned if you don't > Not surprisingly, those aren't the only two options. "white flight" == moving out of the area "colonizer/gentrifier" == moving in to the area The only remaining option is to never move.

Don't agree.

white flight = moving out of city because of fear, cost, crappy schools, etc. is flight. A white person moving to the boondocks because they want to homestead or live off grid is not "flight".

gentrifier = higher income person/family moving into a city or neighborhood, raising the housing costs by doing so, causing the long time residents to leave because of said costs and changing the culture of said area because the old families don't live there anymore.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by aeternum »

pentagrama wrote: post #437
j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

I'm in doubt if is ethical journalism reveal the name and LinkedIn profile of an alleged killer, sounds like doxing to me.

Is the public's failure to understand the meaning of the word alleged a problem with journalism?

The police arresting people in secret has historically been .. problematic at best.

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Post by whateveracct »

zenkat wrote: post #608
jb3689 wrote: post #440

It’s pretty incredible to me that the whole community on the last thread was fixated on the fact that it must’ve been the homeless/drug addicts. What kind of place is it where you immediately dismiss premeditated murder, or even throw it up as 50-50?

I think that says more about Hacker News than SF. There's a level of hate for the city here that I don't understand. Feels a bit like a vendetta sometimes.

I wonder how many of the negative comments are by people who are actually living or have actually lived in SF? And not, say, down in SV.

I wonder the same about Seattle. How many commenters are speaking from Redmond or Kirkland or Bellevue etc instead of the city?

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

curo wrote: post #574
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to start by reading the story before you try and dismantle it. A few paragraphs later: Rather, Lee and Momeni were portrayed by police as being familiar with one another. In the wee hours of April 4, they were purportedly driving together through downtown San Francisco in a car registered to the suspect.

I'd love a link to the SFPD statement if you have it (I cannot find it)

Journalists don't always work off of public statements.

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Post by kstenerud »

sowbug wrote: post #450
pentagrama wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in doubt if is ethical journalism reveal the name and LinkedIn profile of an alleged killer, sounds like doxing to me.

Arrests sure better be public record in a free country.

In Germany it's not public, nor are you allowed to publish the name of a person arrested. This is to protect the individual's privacy and shield them from public retribution and prejudice, which I think is a far more enlightened stance.

In America, the stigma of an arrest follows you for the rest of your life.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

anonkogudhyfhhf wrote: post #210

I know in the last thread everyone said he was a hero. But I looked at his bio and his last job was a token selling scam. Maybe he made some enemies

It's not in the tech circle news, but this murder happened literally days after Hindenburg Research released a very long article on money laundering and widespread fraud at Block (CashApp's parent company). Apparently the app is widely used to launder drug money.

Not saying that's related, but you would have to investigate that angle in a murder.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dougmwne wrote: post #606
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> were both gay men Bob wasn’t gay. (EDIT: Never mind!) A man can have hooked up with guys and not be gay as much as a gay man can have hooked up with women and not be straight or bi. More importantly, we don’t have any evidence they were lovers.

https://www.gaysonoma.com/2023/04/gay-cash-app-founder-bob-l... Setting aside the label, this does appear to potentially have been a crime of passion, which has specific legal consequences. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/crime_of_passion

Oh, didn’t know. I never heard him use that label, and remember him pushing back on it, but that wasn’t super recent.

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Post by beepbooptheory »

pookha wrote: post #384
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

I'm not a Maoist so I can admit when I was wrong. Looks like it was a personal beef. But that in no way changes the point that SF is a toxic environment. Here's the SF fire commissioner being brained by a violent homeless man this past week... https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/video-shows-ex-sf-fire-c...

On the contrary, I think Mao would be quite impressed with your staunch commitment to a cause!

Here is another article, just so everyone stays informed.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/fire-commissioner-ass...

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