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Wow. I never expected to be downvoted for such a comment. Downvotes please elucidate as to why we are in the asymptomatic phase with LLMs.
"Luddites" refusing to accept that we might be onto something that is going to change humanity forever... The sad thing is that real luddites would go out and actively sabotage AI development because they think it's a real threat. Yet these people just makes bold and false claims in online forums and continue to move the goalposts once they're proven wrong. Sad. Pathetic. (and obviously, I don't mind being downvoted.…
Testing GPT 4's code-writing capabilities with some real world problems
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Re: Testing GPT 4's code-writing capabilities with some real world problems
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Disagree -- I think chatGPT will make juniors more palatable to hire. ChatGPT will basically give juniors a free pair programmer to baby-sit their work/progress. Why pay extra for senior devs when juniors can become much more efficient thanks to ChatGPT becoming stack-overflow on steroids. I think the wage gap between junior and senior will actually drop massively. I predict teams will keep 1-3 architect level positi…
I predict the wage gap will actually widen. StackOverflow-on-steroids can only give your so much, so seniors will still be in demand for what they do. It's just the competition between juniors will be fiercer so junior wages will drop.
Re: Testing GPT 4's code-writing capabilities with some real world problems
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I see it the other way around the senior engineer is expensive and costs a lot 2 juniors are cheap. Who cares if their code is crap they produce it really fast so they find a bug, just fix it quickly. If anything the time a Sr. spends thinking about things to do things "right" is seen as a waste of time. Whereas the jr. will produce an enormous amount of buggy code but they can fix the bugs quickly by just throwing a…
Because as soon as you tilt from producing features to fixing bugs, you are losing traction and your competitors will win and now you are bankrupt. I've seen entire businesses collapse because of this mentality.
i mean, unless your competitor produces order of magnitude less bugs than you, how can this be true?
Re: Testing GPT 4's code-writing capabilities with some real world problems
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Well, yes, it got down, but only from 12 mln to 5.5 mln people in agriculture.
Agriculture is still automating and the population has increased what, 4x since then
Re: Testing GPT 4's code-writing capabilities with some real world problems
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The problem is, indeed, that Mr. Glaiel did not know the category of problem he was dealing with. A correct statement would be: "Given a solution set containing both the shortest path through fire and the shortest path avoiding fire, select the solution that fits within six tiles of movement, preferring the solution that avoids fire where possible." It's a constraint optimization problem in disguise: generate a solut…
Can you not do A* where it normally costs one point per tile, 10 points for a fire tile but 1000000 points for > 6 tiles, so you never explore the > 6 options unless you have run out of shorter routes?
You have a solution of length 6, no fire; Solution of length 4, one fire; Ok sure you prefer the no fire one.
the score for the paths is 6 and 13, respectively
Your algorithm works! But as soon as you have a solution of length 10 (or some length bigger than the length you want), a* still prefers that to the solution without fire - but the answer must be less then or equal to six steps
You can modify to make fire cost 1.1. Now if you find a solution of length 6, you know it must be correct (it minimized the number of fire squares and ended up with a length six solve). But if it's not length 6, you need to increase the cost of fire and run again if there was any fire in your solution.
Re: Testing GPT 4's code-writing capabilities with some real world problems
#636As a designer/non-coder, it feels like I'm just pair programming all the time. Stuff that usually took me a long time like regexes or Excel/Sheets formulas now take like two minutes. AND I'm learning how they work in the process. I can actually write regexes now that used to be wildly confusing to me a couple of months ago, because Copilot / ChatGPT is walking through the process, making mistakes, and me prodding it…
Re: Testing GPT 4's code-writing capabilities with some real world problems
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I think the fear should be less about AI taking 100% of jobs but it should be AI making a single programmer do the job of 5, which would wipe a majority of the market out and make it a non-viable career option for most. Companies are already bloated, imagine when they realize one overworked highly paid senior can replace 10 juniors.
If increased productivity equaled job loss, there would be two programmers alive today, doing the same job as the fewer than 10000 programmers using punch cards as we entered the year 1950. A lot of projects today are not even greenlit because they would be too expensive to make. For instance, there are a lot processes in almost every country that require you to file paper forms, even though we have had web forms and…
Re: Testing GPT 4's code-writing capabilities with some real world problems
#638Earlier quoted context omitted.
If increased productivity equaled job loss, there would be two programmers alive today, doing the same job as the fewer than 10000 programmers using punch cards as we entered the year 1950. A lot of projects today are not even greenlit because they would be too expensive to make. For instance, there are a lot processes in almost every country that require you to file paper forms, even though we have had web forms and…
If increased productivity equaled job loss, there would be two programmers alive today Increased productivity doesn't necessarily lead to overall job loss, but it will eventually in the area where the productivity is realized. Agricultural employment is a very clear example. https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4565243/Ag_workforce.png
Re: Testing GPT 4's code-writing capabilities with some real world problems
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> I really am in awe of how much work people seem willing to do to justify this as revolutionary and programmers as infantile, and also why they do that. It’s fascinating. Equally fascinating is all of the "this is fine" posts from programmers suddenly realizing they are not the gods they once thought. But fret not, programming is not the first industry that has been automated into a shell of itself. Yes, the industr…
"Yes, the industry is going to shrink massively" You meant "expand massively" i think. Did all the programmers manually making machine code get fired and the job of programmer disappear when compilers were invented and totally replaced these jobs? No, it just changed to use the new tool. There wont be any unprecedented mass layoffs, despite what the jaded STEM-hating twitter crowd wants. Companies will simply make th…
> You meant "expand massively" i think.
Nope, I meant what I said.> There wont be any unprecedented mass layoffs
Baghdad Bob strikes again.
Re: Testing GPT 4's code-writing capabilities with some real world problems
#640Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the fear should be less about AI taking 100% of jobs but it should be AI making a single programmer do the job of 5, which would wipe a majority of the market out and make it a non-viable career option for most. Companies are already bloated, imagine when they realize one overworked highly paid senior can replace 10 juniors.
If as GP says AI could automate 1% of a single programmer's job (the boring part where you write code), then how on earth can you derive that a single programmer could do the job of 5 with AI? It's completely illogical.