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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by OOPMan »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #535
lottin wrote: post #433

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Tiktok succeeded because it offered something that the public wanted. I don't know that a chat bot is something that the public wants. I know I have no use for it.

It is astonishing to me for someone to find no uses for it. We've been reading three custom made children adventure stories to our kids every night. My wife made custom black history month trivia, quizzes and posters I learned more about basic financial terms, music theory, caught up on concussion treatment and myriad other things We created quick rhymes for school And I feel there are astonishing things I haven't ev…

You don't need a chatbot to do any of that.

You're basically just saying your too damn lazy to do any of this stuff unless the amount of effort you need to put in is as minimal as possible.

While I get being tired and stressed (I'm a parent too) I feel like what you're doing is not much better than just zoning out.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by TylerE »

cwkoss wrote: post #610
HDThoreaun wrote: post #538

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Oh the chatbots absolutely have the potential to create tons of value. The question is if its creator can harvest it/how much will be left with the consumer vs the producer. I suspect that it will still be very difficult to get people to sign up for subscriptions and advertising will be less effective than current search advertising so the chatbot creator will have difficult harvesting the value they create.

The key is that AI needs to have a fiduciary duty to its users: it should always suggest the most economically advantageous deal for the user, not what is best for the AI if those are not aligned. Make a marketplace for targeted discounts to incentivize changed behavior. Many companies that sell consumables are happy to give a first sample free in hopes of repeat purchasing. If I ask AI for a good lavender scented ha…

I disagree with your premise. I do T want the cheapest thing automatically, especially if, as it often is, the difference is crappiness is more than the difference in price.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by TylerE »

OOPMan wrote: post #631
NikolaNovak wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is astonishing to me for someone to find no uses for it. We've been reading three custom made children adventure stories to our kids every night. My wife made custom black history month trivia, quizzes and posters I learned more about basic financial terms, music theory, caught up on concussion treatment and myriad other things We created quick rhymes for school And I feel there are astonishing things I haven't ev…

You don't need a chatbot to do any of that. You're basically just saying your too damn lazy to do any of this stuff unless the amount of effort you need to put in is as minimal as possible. While I get being tired and stressed (I'm a parent too) I feel like what you're doing is not much better than just zoning out.

Now go tell a farmer he’s too lazy because he uses a tractor.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by [deleted] »

epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by kparaju »

codethief wrote: post #513
theboywho wrote: post #498

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Highly unlikely since Google has been playing around with their own chatGPT called LaMDA that they are now making into a product called Bard. I think that Microsoft could have had a chance if they decided to do this before even introducing the world to chatGPT, everyone would have been talking about Bing, but now everyone knows chatGPT and everyone is gonna be talking about Google's Bard as an alternative to chatGPT…

> Highly unlikely since Google has been playing around with their own chatGPT called LaMDA that they are now making into a product called Bard I don't know. Obviously, we'll have to wait and see but given Google's long history of questionable product management I think Microsoft stands a fair chance here.

If Google lets LaMDA out in the open, they will see their margins shrink. Lose-lose for Google. Great move by Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #276

Are people here actually trying this out or is it vaporware as of yet? I ask because this seems ambiguous: The new Bing is live today “for desktop limited preview,” but it appears users are only able to “ask” one of a number of preset queries and receive the same results each time. There is also a waitlist to sign up for full access in the future. If it's just an announcement of an announcement*, we should downweight…

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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by astrange »

cwkoss wrote: post #610
HDThoreaun wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh the chatbots absolutely have the potential to create tons of value. The question is if its creator can harvest it/how much will be left with the consumer vs the producer. I suspect that it will still be very difficult to get people to sign up for subscriptions and advertising will be less effective than current search advertising so the chatbot creator will have difficult harvesting the value they create.

The key is that AI needs to have a fiduciary duty to its users: it should always suggest the most economically advantageous deal for the user, not what is best for the AI if those are not aligned. Make a marketplace for targeted discounts to incentivize changed behavior. Many companies that sell consumables are happy to give a first sample free in hopes of repeat purchasing. If I ask AI for a good lavender scented ha…

> The key is that AI needs to have a fiduciary duty to its users: it should always suggest the most economically advantageous deal for the user, not what is best for the AI if those are not aligned.

This generally means you get what the provider can prove seems like the most sensible choice to a regulator, which would mean not being an AI because you can't show how that algorithm works.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by maeil »

linkjuice4all wrote: post #549
jbenjoseph wrote: post #536

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I disagree. There is a ton of money to be made. Advertisements can be even more lucrative, we just have to rethink the whole idea of advertisement. Imagine the chat bot as a digital salesperson, but for literally everything. It can even be optimized in a manner that if a user asks for too much work that doesn't involve selling you products (eg. writing essays) it can go "I'm Sorry Dave, but you need a ChatGPT Premium…

But I don’t seek out sales people unless I desperately need what they have already. I typically don’t frequent businesses that continue to try to upsell me once I’m already inside. That being said there are definitely other people out that that do want this and aren’t resistant to paid messaging but if you want answers an AdBot will probably not be your first stop.

> But I don’t seek out sales people unless I desperately need what they have already.

In case you don't because you prefer to do the research yourself, I'm sure that holds for the large majority of HN users, including me. But why do we prefer to do the research ourselves? Because we don't trust the salesman's incentives, objectivity and breadth of knowledge. If we had a utopian salesman who only cared about getting the right product for us and has intimate knowledge of every relevant product, it'd be a fools errand to do the research ourselves other than as a genuine hobby.

I think the parent comment is hoping for the creation of AI Chatbots who at least get close enough to such a salesman. And while for-profit companies will surely attempt to instill perverse incentives, unlike with humans we only really need one AI salesman without them and we can all use that one. This might sound idealistic ("if everyone just used Linux..") but the barrier of usage is low enough that I see Google and MS having a much harder time competing with agents without perverse incentives than they've had competing with e.g. Linux or Firefox - especially if Google (the search engine) loses its moat.

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