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Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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Post by kelnos »

freejazz wrote: post #393
bmitc wrote: post #339

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That is a pretty fringe worry of tracking that places a major burden on the business. While I am no fan of the amount of tracking going on, I'd say this is pretty far down the list. You're still tracked when you pull out cash. Credit cards have quite a bit of protection on them.

>That is a pretty fringe worry of tracking that places a major burden on the business. Taking cash? It's illegal in NYC not to... Not sure how fringe that is.

It's not illegal because of tracking worries, it's illegal because cashless businesses discriminate against the large population of under- and un-banked people who live in NYC.

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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Post by forgetfreeman »

csomar wrote: post #395
jryhdtjtdhy wrote: post #364

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Because then those engineers will no longer be out of a job, but some other people with a smaller skillset will be! And all will be good, because we finally had a push towards real automation!

Thankfully, life is not a zero-sum game (I mean it is, but we are just converting energy into complexity). Some of these engineers will open other types of businesses and employ these people. Or maybe these people will go back to trades, because you know, these are much needed skills. Based on your logic, we should still be using horses.

What isn't a zero sum game? Someone really needs to go take a look at a graph of household buying power charted against GDP for the last 60 years. Anyway, your ability to concoct pie-in-the-sky hypotheticals in the face of real-world consequences notwithstanding, historically folks that are pushed out of their industry (with outliers) have a tendency to slide into poverty and then stay there.

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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Post by kelnos »

inetknght wrote: post #390
bmitc wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a pretty fringe worry of tracking that places a major burden on the business. While I am no fan of the amount of tracking going on, I'd say this is pretty far down the list. You're still tracked when you pull out cash. Credit cards have quite a bit of protection on them.

> Credit cards have quite a bit of protection on them. "Quite a bit" is not the same as "to my satisfaction when traveling"

"Quite a bit" is a lot better than "it's gone forever without any recourse", which is the "protection level" of cash.

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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Post by tomcam »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #524
dang wrote: post #216

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You should write a longer piece about your coffee shop! and the process behind it. If you do, you should submit it to HN - and if you do that you should email us (hn@ycombinator.com) because we might put it in the second-chance pool ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308 ).

I love how one person opened a coffee shop which basically operates like every single coffee shop in the world apart from the US , and you guys need a detailed write up, charts, flow charts, tips for the secret sauce :)

Maybe if you don’t understand curiosity, this isn’t the kind of place you’ll enjoy too much. 4chan, maybe? Pornhub?

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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Post by tomcam »

tshaddox wrote: post #629
4gotunameagain wrote: post #524

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I love how one person opened a coffee shop which basically operates like every single coffee shop in the world apart from the US , and you guys need a detailed write up, charts, flow charts, tips for the secret sauce :)

I’d check out a detailed write up of any of those other coffee shops in the world too. The detailed write up is the thing that’s rare and interesting.

Beautifully put.

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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Post by tomcam »

jacktribe wrote: post #481
kqr2 wrote: post #475

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Guessing it's this: https://awakening.bar/

Yep. Didn't want to share it because it's embarrassing how taped together that page is, but I had to put something up in an afternoon, because in the absence of a website people were taking photos of the menu on the iPads to take home.

Man I think you need to raise prices.

Not that you asked ;)

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Post by philliphaydon »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #611
robomartin wrote: post #589

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> like every single coffee shop in the world apart from the US Well, context is important. Right? If someone opened a "tips required" coffee shop in Japan, it could be something to watch and learn from. I don't generally have a problem with tipping. Still, I would much rather people get paid well, with whatever that cost might be reflected in the price of what you are buying. If, on the other hand, tipping is on the…

> If someone opened a "tips required" coffee shop in Japan, it could be something to watch and learn from. Not for a long time. It would likely fold within weeks.

It made me think of the south park episode with the donation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsPHa8RG1pI

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Post by kelnos »

andirk wrote: post #487
eastbound wrote: post #308

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There are only 39.8 billion US banknotes in circulation, it can easily tracked in a Postgres database, banknote numbers when it exits the ATM, banknote numbers when they are redeemed by the baker, or by your drug dealer of choice, banknotes are only in circulation for one or two exchanges before coming back to a bank, it’s very possible that they are tracked to identify curious loops in circulation. In fact, if they…

Easily? Tracking a credit card transaction is probably by far the easiest way to track money. And cash being the most difficult. And crypto being both easy and difficult depending on how it's used.

Sure, credit card tracking is much easier, but I wouldn't call the "most difficult" nature of cash to be all that difficult, certainly not for a state actor that heavily regulates its banks.

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Post by zoover2020 »

jacktribe wrote: post #99

I've just opened a coffee shop in Los Angeles last month, and we don't take tips. We only use self-ordering iPads (I've custom coded an iOS app w/ Stripe Terminal for it), and we don't accept cash either. We've had a few customers baffled by the no-tipping policy, and still insisting that they leave a tip. Some even left cash on the counter or on the table. We had to chase a few of them down to return their money. Al…

> (I've custom coded an iOS app w/ Stripe Terminal for it)

Most HN thing I've read all day. Sounds awesome.

Good luck!

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Post by tomcam »

conductr wrote: post #606
jacktribe wrote: post #99

I've just opened a coffee shop in Los Angeles last month, and we don't take tips. We only use self-ordering iPads (I've custom coded an iOS app w/ Stripe Terminal for it), and we don't accept cash either. We've had a few customers baffled by the no-tipping policy, and still insisting that they leave a tip. Some even left cash on the counter or on the table. We had to chase a few of them down to return their money. Al…

I’m in process of opening an all you can eat pancake shop and doing the same. I’m thinking of charging a small ~$x per table fee for bussing tables. Refundable if they self bus. Probably would always refund it unless they wreck the table. Not sure I want to administer it, or if it would be perceived as a punitive thing and get bad reviews. Just an idea I had while coding the self checkout app. Also, pancakes are made…

Where? I’d love to hear more about this journey too.
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