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Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by HWR_14 »

blindriver wrote: post #603
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #596

A great attempt to dodge vesting schedules and escape doling out severance. Even if they convince many engineers to quit willingly, one presumes that the next step is rounds of layoffs with cause . California is at-will, but notoriously anal regarding mass-layoffs. My serious question is, regardless of with or without cause, surely some employment attorneys are licking their lips at the stack of prospective cases the…

Twitter is a private company now. There are no more stocks to vest, so the idea that this is to dodge vesting schedules doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

The employees are vesting the cashed out value (at $54.20/share) of whatever stock they were vesting as of when the deal closed.

Although SpaceX apparently has vesting stock in a way that keeps the company private. Some of the text messages Elon sent that were published alluded to that.

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Post by wittycardio »

parkingrift wrote: post #578
mikeryan wrote: post #282

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If these numbers are right and they're laying off 50% the workforce, half of me wonders how much Parag could raise to build a new Twitter from scratch and just hire 500 - 1000 talented folks off the street for the venture, I mean if Travis K could raise almost a billion for his shitty ghost kitchen venture I'd have to think they could get enough runway to get something launched pretty quickly. There's so many "What w…

Twitter isn’t some engineering marvel. Anyone could go build a scalable Twitter clone. There are a handful of competitors on the market and a few open source projects. All things considered, it’s easy. Making a viable business out of it is hard.

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Post by zarzavat »

slenk wrote: post #589
electriclove wrote: post #575

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Exactly! There is too much hate here on anything he does. It just makes sense that he’d want to get people that he trusts looking into this.

Why would $TSLA shareholders want to pay for a Twitter code-review?

Who says that they are? Presumably Musk, Twitter and Tesla all have accountants who will ensure that everything is above board.

Tesla shareholders are also free to fire Musk if they don’t like the way he runs the company.

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Post by spuz »

duxup wrote: post #555
salmonet wrote: post #444

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I am surprised this is the top comment. Yes, I am sure they have done the paperwork for these "tons of thousands of dollars." I think it is unlikely that many shareholders are concerned about this exercise

What paperwork?

They would have to sign NDAs at the very least.

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Post by HWR_14 »

alfor wrote: post #611
ipqk wrote: post #65

I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.

There is a lot of cross pollination between his companies, that’s is fine: - new materials from SpaceX make it into Tesla cars - productions techniques from Tesla goes into SpaceX rockets - Semiconductor teams from Starlink probably connected to Tesla It mean the best engineers get even more opportunities. win-win Less red tape, more work get done. I think we should all embrace that. Our goal should be to make things…

> Our goal should be to make things better first and then to make money second

While I would rather live in that world, you don't seem to have described America, corporate laws or capitalism. In fact, TSLA should be listed as a public benefit company if that's the case.

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Post by govg »

trident5000 wrote: post #403
CloudRecondite wrote: post #391

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Absolutely, I don’t view Tesla as a place top tier talent goes. Twitter much more so.

This seems ridiculous to me. Self driving cars are cutting edge tech. Social media algos are not for the most part, certainly not Twitters. Top talent goes to wherever cutting edge developments are. If I wanted to participate in developing the future I would choose Tesla over Twitter any day.

Twitter does some cutting edge ai research, they are unique (just like meta and google and some other firms) in that the challenges they face at the scale they do are unique, and need unique solutions. If you think "social media algos" are a) not cutting edge or b)all Twitter does technically, then you are incredibly misinformed. It's not just Twitter, Google and Meta are also doing incredible research in AI and are among the biggest contributers at any platform you choose (conference papers, libraries, datasets, architectures)

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Post by djbusby »

kalabilla wrote: post #604
blindriver wrote: post #603

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Twitter is a private company now. There are no more stocks to vest, so the idea that this is to dodge vesting schedules doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Private companies have stocks. They are just on traded on exchange

I think you have a typo.

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Post by xcskier56 »

riffraff wrote: post #623
alfor wrote: post #611

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There is a lot of cross pollination between his companies, that’s is fine: - new materials from SpaceX make it into Tesla cars - productions techniques from Tesla goes into SpaceX rockets - Semiconductor teams from Starlink probably connected to Tesla It mean the best engineers get even more opportunities. win-win Less red tape, more work get done. I think we should all embrace that. Our goal should be to make things…

Has SpaceX developed any new materials? It was my understanding they use pretty standard steel alloys.

I’m not sure if they developed them themselves, but the alloys SpaceX uses in the pre burners in the raptor engines are really advanced and likely have not been known (in the US) before. They have to be able to withstand pure (nearly) oxygen gas at very high temperatures and pressures. I wouldn’t be surprised if these super specialize alloys were developed by spacex.

The Soviets figured it out during the end of the space race and US engineers basically assumed they were lying bc they thought the metallurgy was impossible.

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Post by HWR_14 »

segmondy wrote: post #529
tasty_freeze wrote: post #203

I don't at all object to code reviews/evaluation, but the thing I wonder about is this: I rarely open an empty file and write some big block of code. 98% of the time I'm fixing bugs in legacy code or shimming in some new feature. It would be trivial to produce the diffs I generated in the past 30 or 60 days, but the volume of code isn't really a great metric for my productivity. There may be some three line change th…

I once reviewed code for a company that got purchased. I took less than a few hours to reach conclusion. There were 7 developers and in 2 months only one was writing code. The entire team but that one developer was fired. Twitter has grown a reputation for being slow and a rest and vest haven. Won't be surprised if they are looking for people not writing code. On a different note, If you're in a large org and all you…

Assuming that whoever wrote it in the first place is (1) Still employed, (2) Capable of fixing the bug and (3) Would never be told about the bug fixes you may be right.

That said, I think it does make sense if the goal is to (somewhat superficially) sort the employees into "probably keep", "review", "probably terminate" piles. And maybe with a good enough accuracy that that information can be directly acted on.

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Post by regpertom »

arthurcolle wrote: post #45
Waterluvian wrote: post #24

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I think what you’re saying is not untrue. But this isn’t that. There would be an entire process performed over many months (some of which should have happened during due diligence.) Imagine if Elon bought an airline and asked them to line up all the planes on the tarmac for review.

> Imagine if Elon bought an airline and asked them to line up all the planes on the tarmac for review. I could unironically imagine Elon doing this

Hey, excuse me for using you as an example but there’s a lot of this rough idea in this comment section and I’m rather confused by it. I don’t mean to single you out.

What would be wrong with that? In a search for low hanging fruit, the planes that can’t make it to the tarmac would be a group of their own. Of the ones that do, next to others some stand out as being noticeably different. Etc. Then patterns may emerge based on that, iterate iterate. Seems to depend on where you’ve set the bar.

If you were an office space Bob, depending on the bar placement, you may just be interviewing to see if someone loses their cool when asked “what is it you do here?”.

If you were a cop you might bring in every suspect just to see if someone stands out.

So what am I missing? Is it the scale of the operation?

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