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Re: Imagen, a text-to-image diffusion model

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Post by robocat »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #458
robocat wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really are not helping that cause. As a foreigner[], your point confused me anyway, and doing a Google for cultural stuff usually gets variable results. But I did laugh at many of the comments here https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/comments/ufy2k4/why_... [] probably, New Zealand, although foreigner is relative

Haha. I've got some personal experience with that one. I used to live in a house with many other people, and one girl was rastafarian and from jamacia and had dreadlocks, and another girl in the house (who wasn't black) thought that her hairstyle was very offensive. We had to have several conflict resolution meetings about it. As silly as it seemed, I do think everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect t…

> thought that her hairstyle was very offensive

Telling others they don’t like how others look is right near the top on the scale of offensiveness. I had a partner who had had dreads for 25 years. I’m wasn’t a huge fan of her dreads because although I like the look, hers were somewhat annoying for me (scratchy, dread babies, me getting tangled). That said, I would hope I never tell any other person how to look. Hilarious when she was working, and someone would treat her badly due to their assumptions or prejudices, only to discover to their detriment she was very senior staff!

Dreadlocks are usually called dreads in NZ. My previous link mentions that some people call them locks, which seems inapproprate to me: kind of a confusing whitewashing denial of history.

Re: Imagen, a text-to-image diffusion model

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Post by fomine3 »

MattSayar wrote: post #619
Siira wrote: post #616

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> harmful stereotypes and representations So we can't have this model because of ... the mere possibility of stereotypes? With this logic, humans should all die, as we certainly encode some nasty stereotypes in our brains. This level of dishonesty to not give back to the community is not unexpected at this point, but seeing apologists here is.

I think it's more that they don't want people creating NSFW images of copyrighted material. How do you even begin to protect against that litigation?

Should we ban Photoshop? It's a leap in logic but not very different.

Re: Imagen, a text-to-image diffusion model

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Post by kimi »

rhacker wrote: post #448
qz_kb wrote: post #437

I have to wonder how much releasing these models will "poison the well" and fill the internet with AI generated images that make training an improved model difficult. After all if every 9/10 "oil painted" image online starts being from these generative models it'll become increasingly difficult to scrape the web and to learn from real world data in a variety of domains. Essentially once these things are widely availa…

Look at carpentry blogs, recipe blogs. Nearly all of it is junk content. I bet if you combined GPT and imagen or dalle2 you could replace all of them. Just provide a betty crocker recipe and let it generate a blog that has weekly updates and even a bunch of images - "happy family enjoying pancakes together" I can see the future as being devoid of any humanity.

> I can see the future as being devoid of any humanity.

Considering how many of the readers of said blog will be scrapers and bots, who will use the results to generate more spammy "content", I think you are right.

Re: Imagen, a text-to-image diffusion model

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Post by rajnathani »

qz_kb wrote: post #437

I have to wonder how much releasing these models will "poison the well" and fill the internet with AI generated images that make training an improved model difficult. After all if every 9/10 "oil painted" image online starts being from these generative models it'll become increasingly difficult to scrape the web and to learn from real world data in a variety of domains. Essentially once these things are widely availa…

For better training data in the future: Storing a content hash and author identification (an example proprietary solution right now [0]) of image authors, and having a decentralized reputation system for people/authors would help be the solution for better training data in the future whereby authors can gain reputation/incentives too.

[0] https://creativecloud.adobe.com/discover/article/how-to-use-...

Re: Imagen, a text-to-image diffusion model

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Post by LoveMortuus »

Siira wrote: post #616
interblag wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they address some of the reasoning behind this pretty clearly in the write-up as well? > The potential risks of misuse raise concerns regarding responsible open-sourcing of code and demos. At this time we have decided not to release code or a public demo. In future work we will explore a framework for responsible externalization that balances the value of external auditing with the risks of unrestricted open-…

> harmful stereotypes and representations So we can't have this model because of ... the mere possibility of stereotypes? With this logic, humans should all die, as we certainly encode some nasty stereotypes in our brains. This level of dishonesty to not give back to the community is not unexpected at this point, but seeing apologists here is.

As Sadhguru said, the human experience comes from within.

Which means that it is always you that decides is you'll be offended or not.

Not to mention the weirdness that random strangers on the internet feel the need to protect me, another random stranger on the internet, from being offended. Not to mention that you don't need to be a genius to find pornography, racism and pretty much anything on the internet...

I'm really quite worried by the direction it's all going at. More and more the internet is being censored and filtered. Where are the times of IRC where a single refresh erased everything that was said~

Re: Imagen, a text-to-image diffusion model

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Post by LoveMortuus »

qz_kb wrote: post #437

I have to wonder how much releasing these models will "poison the well" and fill the internet with AI generated images that make training an improved model difficult. After all if every 9/10 "oil painted" image online starts being from these generative models it'll become increasingly difficult to scrape the web and to learn from real world data in a variety of domains. Essentially once these things are widely availa…

Maybe we'll go back to index based search engines like Yahoo. Could resolve many issues we see today, but I think the biggest question is scalability. Maybe some open source open database system?

Re: Imagen, a text-to-image diffusion model

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Post by JellyBeanThief »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #635
Siira wrote: post #616

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> harmful stereotypes and representations So we can't have this model because of ... the mere possibility of stereotypes? With this logic, humans should all die, as we certainly encode some nasty stereotypes in our brains. This level of dishonesty to not give back to the community is not unexpected at this point, but seeing apologists here is.

As Sadhguru said, the human experience comes from within. Which means that it is always you that decides is you'll be offended or not. Not to mention the weirdness that random strangers on the internet feel the need to protect me, another random stranger on the internet, from being offended. Not to mention that you don't need to be a genius to find pornography, racism and pretty much anything on the internet... I'm r…

> As Sadhguru said, the human experience comes from within. > > Which means that it is always you that decides is you'll be offended or not.

I have a friend who used to have an abuser who talked like that. Every time she said or did something that hurt him, it was his fault for feeling that way, and a real man wouldn't have any problem with it.

I'm all for mindfulness and metacognition as valuable skills. They helped me realize that a bad grade every now and then didn't mean I was lazy, stupid, and didn't belong in college.

But this argument that people should indiscriminately suppress emotional pain is dangerous. It entails that people ought to tolerate abuse and misuse of themselves and of other people. And that's wrong.

Re: Imagen, a text-to-image diffusion model

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Post by walt74 »

rhacker wrote: post #448
qz_kb wrote: post #437

I have to wonder how much releasing these models will "poison the well" and fill the internet with AI generated images that make training an improved model difficult. After all if every 9/10 "oil painted" image online starts being from these generative models it'll become increasingly difficult to scrape the web and to learn from real world data in a variety of domains. Essentially once these things are widely availa…

Look at carpentry blogs, recipe blogs. Nearly all of it is junk content. I bet if you combined GPT and imagen or dalle2 you could replace all of them. Just provide a betty crocker recipe and let it generate a blog that has weekly updates and even a bunch of images - "happy family enjoying pancakes together" I can see the future as being devoid of any humanity.

>I can see the future as being devoid of any humanity.

I can see a past where this already happened, to paraphrase Douglas Adams ;)

Re: Imagen, a text-to-image diffusion model

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Post by OrangeMusic »

interblag wrote: post #587
discmonkey wrote: post #421

For people complaining that they can't play with the model... I work at Google and I also can't play with the model :'(

I think they address some of the reasoning behind this pretty clearly in the write-up as well? > The potential risks of misuse raise concerns regarding responsible open-sourcing of code and demos. At this time we have decided not to release code or a public demo. In future work we will explore a framework for responsible externalization that balances the value of external auditing with the risks of unrestricted open-…

I find this is a really bad precedent. Not far from now they'll achieve "super human" level general AI, and be like "yeah it's too powerful for you, we'll keep it internal".

Re: Imagen, a text-to-image diffusion model

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Post by ThePC007 »

JellyBeanThief wrote: post #637
LoveMortuus wrote: post #635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Sadhguru said, the human experience comes from within. Which means that it is always you that decides is you'll be offended or not. Not to mention the weirdness that random strangers on the internet feel the need to protect me, another random stranger on the internet, from being offended. Not to mention that you don't need to be a genius to find pornography, racism and pretty much anything on the internet... I'm r…

> As Sadhguru said, the human experience comes from within. > > Which means that it is always you that decides is you'll be offended or not. I have a friend who used to have an abuser who talked like that. Every time she said or did something that hurt him, it was his fault for feeling that way, and a real man wouldn't have any problem with it. I'm all for mindfulness and metacognition as valuable skills. They helped…

I think there is a huge difference between somebody willingly mistreating another person and that person taking offence to that, versus a company releasing an AI tool with absolutely no ill-intent, and then someone else making decisions as to what _I_ am allowed to see.
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