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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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This is why I’m pessimistic about the West winning the second cold war. While Chinese engineers are working hard on world dominating AI models and other hard tech, Western engineers are wasting man hours on crap like this.

But it's over Anakin, we have the moral high ground!

As someone who lives in a valley, I find that phrase offensive.

/s

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Hopefully LibreOffice doesn't adopt this sort of thing.

With Libre Office you can be sure if they add such a feature it can always be disabled. With Google or Microsoft you never know when they'll take the toggles away and you have no recourse without source.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Sure the origin is to do with Lords but landlord isn't male, anyone can be a landlord, pretending it's gendered is just lying to try and be offended. Presumably, such people think the word coward references bovines as it includes the word cow. I don't like that landlords exist, but that's an inordinately stupid reason to try and get rid of a word. Surely noone believes that by sensoring a word you get rid of that whi…

> pretending it's gendered is just lying to try and be offended. Please don't assume this. In the southern US in the late 80s and early 90s, "landlady" was a term that was very commonly used for female "landlords". I'm not sure if it's specifically regional, though.

Canada, too.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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You're right. I use the new terms and move on. It's really not that bad. However it tends to become a password game. There's a new password every few months. If you know the new password, you get to feel above those who don't. It's as we invent new crimes to charge people with. If no one calls it out (because sure, whatever), it keeps ratcheting up. Then banal conversations turn into minefields. What you say gets inv…

Yeah, I’m the same way - also a googler, I used the term “grandfathered” in a meeting with a bunch of people and someone on Meet chat corrected me to “legacy” or something, and I said, “oh, okay, no problem” and corrected myself and moved on. So - I used a word that someone didn’t like, they corrected me, I adjusted without deep apology and moved on, and everything was fine. Who cares? Why is this such a huge issue,…

That isn't language evolving, that's you being arbitrarily 'punished' for no better reason than to reinforce the false idea that the other person is better than you. The right response is to refuse because that treadmill is endless and its potential speed is unlimited.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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"Allowlist" and "denylist" are sonically awkward. Why not "inlist" and "outlist"?

I want to offer greenlist and redlist And to those who say this is not inclusive to the colorblind, I say traffic lights

Greenlist and redlist would fail in a global company. Plenty of cultures use red as a color that promotes positivity rather than a negative color. Japan has blue rather than green for their "Go" color. And so on.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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I spent many years in the bluest corner of a very blue state. But still I can't imagine any objection to the word "landlord" outside of (1) a right wing attempt to satirize the left, (2) a Google product brainstorming meeting, or (3) a rare sincere outlier or concern troll. In any of those cases I don't think this is necessary. That said, if the word "landlord" organically fell out of favor and out of usage to be rep…

Have you seen the people objecting to the term "Master Recording" and such.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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I wonder if this is an example of not knowing your audience (or rather assuming one's self represents a wider audience than it does). The people vouching for this at Google are likely product marketing managers, public relations folks, social media managers, etc. All they do is write corporate garbage all day, and much like we have "nit"s in PR's for formatting, variable names, etc; they likely have similar reviews t…

Actually I've seen an English linter to help you maintain a passive voice for papers, remove waffle words and unnecessary fluff, etc. I'm not sure I can find the exact one I'm thinking of, but wasn't too bad overall, it spotted errors and made helpful suggestions. It was cool too, because it would read from stdin and integrated into vim pretty well with a few lines in my config.

Not sure if these are the things you’re thinking of, but I know Grammarly and Hemingway are apps/services with similar functions.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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I wonder if this is an example of not knowing your audience (or rather assuming one's self represents a wider audience than it does). The people vouching for this at Google are likely product marketing managers, public relations folks, social media managers, etc. All they do is write corporate garbage all day, and much like we have "nit"s in PR's for formatting, variable names, etc; they likely have similar reviews t…

This comes off as an angry tirade full of projection and lacking any real insight.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Yeah, I’m the same way - also a googler, I used the term “grandfathered” in a meeting with a bunch of people and someone on Meet chat corrected me to “legacy” or something, and I said, “oh, okay, no problem” and corrected myself and moved on. So - I used a word that someone didn’t like, they corrected me, I adjusted without deep apology and moved on, and everything was fine. Who cares? Why is this such a huge issue,…

That isn't language evolving, that's you being arbitrarily 'punished' for no better reason than to reinforce the false idea that the other person is better than you. The right response is to refuse because that treadmill is endless and its potential speed is unlimited.

How was I punished? What tribunal did I face?

And how does the other person think they’re better than me? You’re inventing all of this context about a simple conversation that just doesn’t exist.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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I spent many years in the bluest corner of a very blue state. But still I can't imagine any objection to the word "landlord" outside of (1) a right wing attempt to satirize the left, (2) a Google product brainstorming meeting, or (3) a rare sincere outlier or concern troll. In any of those cases I don't think this is necessary. That said, if the word "landlord" organically fell out of favor and out of usage to be rep…

> (1) a right wing attempt to satirize the left It's hard not to secretly suspect that some of these things arise that way-- satire that is so spot on that it gets adopted as the truth. > and out of usage to be replaced by something else I wouldn't care Fundamentally that's why language bullying works-- it doesn't matter what words are used so long as the communicating parties understand each other. Not only does it…

Policing Language (and frequently changing it) is one of the levers of control that was outlined heavily by Orwell in 1984, with the concept of Doublespeak.

Now I know people are bored of parallels between reality and 1984, or Brave New World, or whatever other dystopia novels. They were written by authors not prophets after all.

Still, it's impossible for me not to think we're on our way when I read something like

"But do we want to live in a world where our language is constantly being rewritten-- at a non-zero cost-- by bullies"

When talking about a real world situation.

Personally I do not want to live in that world.

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