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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by hintymad »

defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

I thought the real issue was that GoFundMe didn't initially return the money to the donors, instead they gave the money away to a charity, or so they claim.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by hintymad »

throwawaysea wrote: post #249
defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

The thing is BLM protesters broke laws. They started fires, destroyed businesses, trapped drivers in tunnels, attacked police, set fires in people’s homes, and declared an autonomous zone that claimed to secede from the country - and this is just from my city. GoFundMe happily allowed them to be funded while Facebook and Twitter happily allowed them to organize. Driving trucks and using the roads as they are meant to…

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by landemva »

empressplay wrote: post #547
landemva wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not implying they nor their family are ignorant. Chicken pox is easily survivable for children. Less so for older adults. My parents took me to a pox party of other kids specifically to be exposed. Covid is also easily survivable for children, and adults in reasonably good health. I survived corona a year ago and now see no medical reason to get those jabs.

Immunity to COVID wanes over time, in part because it can take hold on the surfaces of your respiratory tract to a certain point without triggering the ire of your immune system (which is why vaccinated people can spread COVID). To keep yourself from developing a serious case of it, vaccinations need to be periodic, like the flu. You could keep getting it every year or so if you want, but getting it this year isn't g…

"To keep yourself from developing a serious case of it, vaccinations need to be periodic"

I had it and recovered. I have blood test results and Dr. letter to prove it.

The CDC says actual measured outcomes show I am in the category of persons who do better than the jabbed.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm "By early October, persons who survived a previous infection had lower case rates than persons who were vaccinated alone."

Your attempt to tell me to get yearly jabs is similar to what upsets the Canadian protestors. Please stop with the coercion and mandates.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by smsm42 »

klyrs wrote: post #485
defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

A missing piece of this is Canada's Bill C51 [1], which characterizes interference with critical infrastructure as terrorism . A significant difference between CHAZ/CHOP and these protests is the legal context. Looters bad, rah rah, but GoFundMe doesn't want to touch (legally-defined-as) terrorists with a 10 foot pole. But C51 was passed with an eye towards stopping anti-pipeline protests, and conservative Canadians…

Given that parents getting into a shouting match with a particularly dense school board functionary is defined as "terrorism" now I think this can only lead to the terrorism accusation losing its sting. If every petty political squabble is terrorism, then nothing is terrorism.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by smsm42 »

I think GFM did a massive blunder by not declaring that they will immediately refund the donations. I can understand their practical considerations - it probably costs them something to refund, but they should have just eaten the costs. Instead, they made it look like they are seizing the money - which looks very much like breach of trust. If I give you something with the promise that you will bring it to my friend, and you decide you don't like it so you donate it to the charity, I'd be pissed. Yes, I know GFM probably has a 200-page user agreement that makes you confirm your soul and your firstborn belongs to them and you have absolutely no rights whatsoever, but nobody reads that and everybody has expectations how this works, and "we'll seize all the money and send them to a charity" is wildly outside those expectations.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by xyzzyz »

refurb wrote: post #578
defaultname wrote: post #573

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this what your rhetoric is reduced to? Demanding that people answer for invented, imaginary hypocrisy? I didn't "dodge" a completely stupid, manufactured question because I have literally no onus to answer it. GFM shouldn't be used to sponsor *ANY* protest. I've said that REPEATEDLY, and consistently. A protest that needs sponsorship is not a legitimate protest.

You realize the Civil Rights movements in the US had substantial fundraising? The March to Selma? How do you think people were fed? Where did they sleep? So by your logic the Civil Rights movement was not legitimate ?

I think his point is that only well-off people, who can fund themselves, should be allowed to protest. Poor people, who can't support themselves protesting, should have no right to do that.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by rnk »

smsm42 wrote: post #634
klyrs wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A missing piece of this is Canada's Bill C51 [1], which characterizes interference with critical infrastructure as terrorism . A significant difference between CHAZ/CHOP and these protests is the legal context. Looters bad, rah rah, but GoFundMe doesn't want to touch (legally-defined-as) terrorists with a 10 foot pole. But C51 was passed with an eye towards stopping anti-pipeline protests, and conservative Canadians…

Given that parents getting into a shouting match with a particularly dense school board functionary is defined as "terrorism" now I think this can only lead to the terrorism accusation losing its sting. If every petty political squabble is terrorism, then nothing is terrorism.

A shouting matches at a school board in the US at least is not terrorism. Bringing your guns and saying you might use them in the future and making vaguely threatening comments about that sounds like something that should be illegal to me. Saying I hate this decision that you're making and I'm going to vote against you, not terrorism.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by rnk »

petre wrote: post #626
sudosysgen wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti mandate movements in general have something closer to what you said, but everyone I know that isn't right wing is embarrassed or angry at the convoy, even those who don't like mandates.

What other option is there when the government is tone deaf? They do it in France for other things and it's quite legal when there's a union behind it. And what will the government do if the truckers finally throw in the towel like they did in the UK (or maybe it was Polish and other Eastern European truckers who chose to operate on the mainland after Brexit)?

That's not what happened in the UK. There was demand for a lot of truck drivers, in the past there were a lot of immigrants who would work for low wages, but they brilliantly cut off those workers, suddenly they were not enough truck drivers. There hasn't really been this big "I am anti-vax mandate and I'm not working thing" that some people are fantasizing about.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by rnk »

seemack wrote: post #591
blast wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's obviously a peaceful protest*. The word "occupation" here is already spin from the side that wants to shut it down and is trying to build a case for doing so. Peaceful protest involves physically assembling and making noise. That is no doubt unpleasant both for those who disagree with the protestors and those who live in the neighborhood, but the right to do this in public is fundamental and vital in democratic…

I live in Ottawa. This is not simply unpleasant noise that the residents downtown are being forced to live through. This is a large number of transport trucks and various general trucks blowing their horns throughout the day and night. There are multiple trucks driving around with train horns which are extremely loud. A lawsuit has been filed against this tactic being used by the protesters ( https://ottawacitizen.co…

It does seem pretty clear that just like Trump in the US attracted all the haters, racists and Nazis and their adjacent friends (which wasn't the same thing as his massive support among the angry working class white cohort), this protest is doing the same in Canada. And now you have this weird thing that American far right-wingers like DeSantis are jumping on the bandwagon and trying to pull their fake "working people 10-4 good buddy" street cred instead of the racist Nazi street cred.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by rnk »

throwawaysea wrote: post #249
defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

The thing is BLM protesters broke laws. They started fires, destroyed businesses, trapped drivers in tunnels, attacked police, set fires in people’s homes, and declared an autonomous zone that claimed to secede from the country - and this is just from my city. GoFundMe happily allowed them to be funded while Facebook and Twitter happily allowed them to organize. Driving trucks and using the roads as they are meant to…

I'm afraid that's not what happened in reality in Seattle. You repeated the allegations multiple times but repeating them doesn't make it true. There were criminals who came to that area, but the BLM themselves did not seem interested in that stuff. And I was upset at the leaving of the area by the police, but the multiple admitted fake pics on fox news didn't show reality.

And now we know from the emails and discussions of the police and the mayor that they kind of left the police precinct with an expectation of the chaz that the precinct was going to be burned down after thet left by the crowd and they were almost disappointed . In Seattle we're currently in this weird situation where the police are basically in an almost complete work stoppage, and there's endless court battles about the cops who went to Jan 6, cops don't enforce Laws around property crimes. I don't see any future for the existing police force in Seattle. They just need to be fired and replaced en mass. But it will take years to eject them.

This is probably too much about Seattle but when trying to understand what's happening in Canada one has to be careful of the American press that lies about what's happening. My own dad believes that Seattle is burning basically.

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