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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by sa1 »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #601
nullify88 wrote: post #583

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> There is no attack surface for any kernel - the only thing there would be a bug in mms. Please share your source for kernel attacks, on any android version This is after one hasty search. https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2016-10-01 There are various kernel level vulnerabilities listed. Some weakening privacy over tcp connections, others locally exploitable via a malicious app such as Pegasus. I don't un…

I'll start by saying I spent a full 5 minutes reading through those and gave up. I asked for an example, you pasted twenty pages of random garbage and said "here, maybe you'll find something in this dump I took - why don't you spend some time and maybe I'll prove you wrong." In those five minutes of looking through your garbage dump, I found Zero vulnerabilities that do not need either you installing a virus, which t…

There’s an example of it on HN front page right now, where a terminal application without privileges can trigger a kernel bug.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by minusf »

executive wrote: post #344
layer8 wrote: post #328

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The Zenfone is still significantly larger and heavier than the iPhone mini, which for me is already at the upper limit for one-handed use.

Bit larger yes, just under 1oz heavier... not too significant. And headphone jack, no notch (dealbreaker in 2021), no CSAM.

it's not a "bit":

Weight and Dimension 169g, 148 x 68.5 x 8.9 mm

thats a full cm longer than the 2020 SE, which is already bigger than the mini. it might be "an answer to the mini" in features and spirit but not in size by far.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by duckmysick »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #439
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

One doesn't have to dream. Flashing a rom on google-branded phones is so simple, a non-tech person can follow a 5min youtube video to do it. The Nexus 6 from 2014 can have the latest android running on it - not just security updates. And unlike an iphone, it has a build that disables some eyecandy that keeps it actually usable and fast. As I understand it if you run the last supported ios on an iphone 5s, with all th…

Can you run banking apps on custom roms? The Barclays app refused to run on mine a few years ago, but maybe something changed since.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by simondotau »

least wrote: post #568
simondotau wrote: post #548

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It's a tough market. The majority of people who want a smaller phone do so because phones aren't so important to them. And those people probably expect a cheaper device. I think Apple would make a better selling product if they could chop an extra $100–200 from the price of the mini. A single rear camera, fewer SKUs (say, two colours and two capacities), and maybe a binned version of the A16 chip with one fewer GPU c…

> The majority of people who want a smaller phone do so because phones aren't so important to them. I flat out disagree with this sentiment. People who don't care about their phone that much will buy whatever fits their personal needs (usually what is least expensive), while a person who specifically in today's market opts to purchase a smaller phone is doing so with intention. Sure, a cheaper iPhone would probably s…

> I flat out disagree with this sentiment.

Sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But really we're all just guessing. My guess is that the iPhone 12/13 Mini has potential appeal to two markets:

• Someone who wants a flagship device, who places positive value in smaller size, and is not price sensitive;

• Someone who wants a premium device, who places negative value in larger size, and is moderately price sensitive.

With the anemic sales of the last two generations of mini iPhone, Apple has shown that this first market is smaller than hoped. The question is: is it nonetheless big enough to warrant Apple making an iPhone 14 mini? If it is, great.

If not, your preference is moot because the device won't exist. My argument is that this second market is likely much larger and represents an opportunity which Apple hasn't quite honed in on—yet. If it's necessary in order for an iPhone 14 mini to exist, a device with wider appeal is preferable to no device.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by dotancohen »

TimeBearingDown wrote: post #572
soylentnewsorg wrote: post #562

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Alright - I'll bite. This is a smartphone, not a windows PC with a bunch of services. There is Zero listening on any port. There is no attack surface for any kernel - the only thing there would be a bug in mms. Please share your source for kernel attacks, on any android version, that's not an attack on an app - but on the kernel. No, this is not a google play attack, or an attack on an outdated app - which are update…

Smartphones aren’t servers, but they run tons of services that interact with the surrounding world. Bluetooth, WiFi, etc… The kernel also still plays a vital and security-meaningful role in processing calls from applications. Running an out of date kernel could mean strangers ransoming your data, or could mean an attack becomes persistent and starts logging and uploading through reboots. Running an out of date kernel…

  > Smartphones aren’t servers, but they run tons of services that
  > interact with the surrounding world. Bluetooth, WiFi, etc…
Sounds like a server to me. Maybe not a webserver, or an SMTP server, or database server, but it is a server running world-accessible services.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

castwide wrote: post #469
bitshiftfaced wrote: post #281

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I'd be on board with that reasoning, but at the same time it is quite rare to see an able-bodied white man on the "Google Doodles" (where Google highlights people from history). At some point it does feel like they go out of their way to exclude that demographic.

I only had to review Doodles since October 1 to find Yoram Gross and Ivan Piddubny (the latter of whom was exceptionally able-bodied).

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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by ablekh »

arendtio wrote: post #624
ablekh wrote: post #560

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> underneath it runs a crusty old 2017 kernel full of holes of different sizes > LineageOS and other projects can’t fix things in kernels they can’t compile I think that you're wrong on this, that is unless you decided to use term "kernel" above too liberally, referring to all software running on a device. AFAIK, alternative Android images, such as LineageOS, include relevant - and quite up-to-date! - AOSP common ker…

So would you please help me to find an ROM with an up-to-date Android Common Kernel for my i9300 Samsung Galaxy S3? AFAIK, the only way to run it with working drivers for all hardware components, are ROMs which use the rusty 3.0.101 Linux kernel from back in the day and I think that is what DCKing is referring to. If you want to create a new ROM, you either have to use the old kernel and have an upper Limit of Androi…

Obviously, not all devices have up-to-date kernels. It depends on whether they are supported by relevant Android distributions. That's why I used the phrase "quite up-to-date" instead of just "up-to-date". Unfortunately for you, LineageOS has stopped supporting i9300 Samsung Galaxy S3 with the latest official release being 14.1, which is based on Nougat (Android 7.1.2).

Having said that, I ran across the following post that describes successful installation of LineageOS 18.1 (Android 11) ROM on Samsung Galaxy S3 i9300: https://devsjournal.com/install-lineage-os-in-galaxy-s3-i930.... This is just FYI. So, if you understand relevant risks and feel adventurous, you can try to install it on your device. Disclaimer: I'm neither affiliated with the author of the post, nor responsible for any damage that might be associated with following the advice contained in the above-linked post.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by makeitdouble »

cblconfederate wrote: post #620
makeitdouble wrote: post #415

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Isn’t it a wonderful thing ? Just as some people never felt the need to upgrade their DSLR once it hit 24M pixel, or change their TV for the last decade, or buy a new car, or buy a new house. That’s arguably how things should be for the vast majority of people, if we consider the product getting marketed to have any lasting value.

have phone sales gone down?

They're mostly flat since a few years now: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263437/global-smartphone...

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by saladuh »

DCKing wrote: post #535
soylentnewsorg wrote: post #439

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One doesn't have to dream. Flashing a rom on google-branded phones is so simple, a non-tech person can follow a 5min youtube video to do it. The Nexus 6 from 2014 can have the latest android running on it - not just security updates. And unlike an iphone, it has a build that disables some eyecandy that keeps it actually usable and fast. As I understand it if you run the last supported ios on an iphone 5s, with all th…

That’s all great - but don’t lure people too much into a false sense of security. While your Nexus 6 may run a shiny new version of Android, underneath it runs a crusty old 2017 kernel full of holes of different sizes. The community is great, but vendor support remains important. LineageOS and other projects can’t fix things in kernels they can’t compile - they can only provide security updates for open source compon…

It's not the kernel security updates that are important in regards to this 5 year promise, those are all open source and can be applied to any device a ROM (such as CalyxOS) supports. It's the proprietary firmware blobs that are the big deal, and what this 5 years promise from google means is that those blobs, required for certain hardware on the device, will receive 5 years of security updates. And that's good, because those are the security vulnerabilities that e.g. the CalyxOS team cannot patch themselves (no source code).

This is why CalyxOS now makes it clear what devices they support are still getting full security updates (kernel + firmware blobs) or just kernel updates. I believe the most recent CalyxOS patch added the ability for the user to see in settings the month and year of the last firmware security update for their device vs their current kernel security update.

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