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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by manigandham »

ajkjk wrote: post #596
manigandham wrote: post #525

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I said him and his friends lean left too, so what else makes it a gateway? These claims are always vague and unfounded.

The claim was that what made him a gateway was his literally acting as a gateway: > When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. This is in spite of his politics.

By that logic, he's a gateway to the entire political spectrum based on thousands of episodes over a decade.

There are plenty of people who are exposed to (far)left perspectives from his show - do you take issue with that?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ProAm »

laurent92 wrote: post #376
ProAm wrote: post #184

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I think it was more than 100MM, he was making ~30MM per year on his own, and he signed a 3 year deal with Spotify. Im not sure why you'd sell for the exact amount you'd make if you just kept doing what you are doing with the exception of having to handle all advertising yourself and possible delisting/banning from YouTube.

So he was a unicorn? A startup valued at a billion dollars was supposed to be so rare that it’s a unicorn, and now people are doing that with a microphone in a cave ;) (or little more, but technically he’s one voice).

Im not sure I follow the question?

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Post by wrycoder »

CoryG89 wrote: post #542
wrycoder wrote: post #533

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It persists, because procedure/surgical masks do virtually nothing to stop SARS2. [0] I won't even mention cloth masks. In sum, of the 14 RCTs that have tested the effectiveness of masks in preventing the transmission of respiratory viruses, three suggest, but do not provide any statistically significant evidence in intention-to-treat analysis, that masks might be useful. The other eleven suggest that masks are eithe…

Umm, perhaps I'm mistaken, but I'm fairly certain that, at least in the US, it's always been fairly easy to obtain N95 masks, up until the pandemic. I realized I had a box of them lying around which my ex-girlfriend had purchased for painting.

Yeah, so did I. I use them for sanding and sweeping.

But early in 2020, they disappeared off the shelves. Amazon, in particular, only sold them to medical professionals. Same thing, if you went directly to 3M.

I was able to buy a few more at about ten times the usual price.

A few are available at reasonable prices now, but it's still very limited. When I wear a mask, it's an N95. You can dry them out and reuse them - SARS2 is very fragile.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by nradov »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #547
supperburg wrote: post #538

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These are extremely valid points. Even Shawn baker doesn’t like the fact that Paul directly profits from promoting carnivore. It’s funny you say there’s a lot of evidence showing LDL is bad etc, ok then show me the randomized interventional study regarding animal fat. Regarding carnivore. You can’t and so whenever you say “there’s lots of evidence” you also have to say “but it’s still unproven.” And yes, there is a d…

> Here’s the rub: nobody I know or have seen has experienced a decline in their health from carnivore. There’s no hard evidence that it’s bad for you. Carnivore Diet wasn't really a thing until about 2018, aside from scattered anecdotes ( https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=c... ) Heart disease develops over decades. It's very disingenuous to declare that "there's no hard evidence that it's bad…

The carnivore diet was a thing for the Comanche people for centuries until they were massacred and confined to reservations. We obviously don't have data on their rates of heart disease but overall they were healthier than others living at the same time.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010529071125.h...

(I'm not recommending that anyone eat a carnivore diet, just pointing out that it's hardly novel.)

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Post by achillesheels »

ineedasername wrote: post #571
ds206 wrote: post #296

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"Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic." Yeah, I think it does. Has he been cancelled? Nope. Does he stop making jokes about almost anything? Nope. Do you listen to his podcast? Nope. You know how he became so popular? From talking and being open minded. That's _all_ he does. He ain't doing it to be an…

From talking and being open minded. If you're listening to a comedian then your mind should not be open to any scientific statements that person makes or medical advice they give.

So civilized experts are infallible? Please.

“Mind opening leads to compassion.” -Lao Tzu, Tao te Ching, 16

“The sage deters those who know too much from going too far.” -ibid, 3

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Post by arrosenberg »

rkk3 wrote: post #231
crazygringo wrote: post #190

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Of course that's anti-vax. The main purpose of getting the vaccine isn't just to protect yourself -- it's to reduce the chances of you transmitting it to others . It's about herd immunity, not personal immunity. Whether you're young and healthy is irrelevant.

> The main purpose of getting the vaccine isn't just to protect yourself -- it's to reduce the chances of you transmitting it to others. It's about herd immunity, not personal immunity. Not about personal immunity? Why did we roll it out by age group then?

Older people as a group require more care when they get sick. Additionally, elderly group living was being hit the hardest by the pandemic, especially early on.

It wasn't about saving the most lives per se. It was about reducing the load on the medical system. I suspect those outcomes are strongly correlated.

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Post by evol262 »

platz wrote: post #601
teknofobi wrote: post #519

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Joe Rogan leans left in the same way someone that starts their sentences with “I’m not rasist, but …” aren’t racists. It’s just a rhetorical device to convince you that they don’t believe in labels, and then they immediately use their actions and words to demonstrate that they fit the textbook description of the label. > They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, f…

so if someone is left but isnt as left as you then they arent left, right? would you consider biden left?

By the standards of most of the world, no, he's firmly right wing, along with basically every other politician in the US.

By US standards, he's a moderate. So no, still not left. And that's why he got elected.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by soundnote »

atlgator wrote: post #399
secondcoming wrote: post #282

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That's what Joe Rogan's show is all about. It's pretty much him talking about the same nonsense that anyone else would talk about when hanging out with their friends. He never pretended to be anything else, and it's why his show is so popular. That said, since he moved to Spotify I've hardly seen anything other than the occasional clip on AdTube. If you want high-brow stuff there's Lex Fridman's channel.

Lex Fridman does the same thing for non-robotics/AI issues. It's wild how someone so brilliant in one area can be so naïve in another.

There's an effect to that effect called Gell-Mann amnesia. Nutshell by Michael Crichton:

> “Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”

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