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Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by omk »

kayfox wrote: post #626
omk wrote: post #623

This outage made me realize that github is served over a single IP address (A record) for my point of origin (India). Stackoverflow has 4 A record listing, but all of these belong to fastly. The internet is designed for redundancy. Wonder why these companies don't have a fail over network. Makes me wonder if cost is factor considering their already massive infra. But a single point of failure ... .

Github's DNS likely will serve up a different IP for github when there is an outage. I can't talk about the details but GitHub and the rest of Microsoft use a global load balancing system that works through DNS.

Would be interesting to know what these fail over patterns are. As DNS takes a while to propagate, I thought DNS records already indicate fail over addresses.

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by comboy »

oefrha wrote: post #613
comboy wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to suggest site:old.reddit.com since I use that version with automatic redirect, but this: https://old.reddit.com/robots.txt is very different from this: https://reddit.com/robots.txt I guess there is a market for search engine (maybe accessed through tor) which does not care about robots.txt, DMCAs, right to be forgotten etc. Bootstrapping it should not be that hard since it can also provide better results…

> I guess there is a market for search engine (maybe accessed through tor) which does not care about robots.txt, DMCAs, right to be forgotten etc. Bootstrapping it should not be that hard since it can also provide better results for some queries since nobody is fighting about the position until it's widely known. That’s not going to happen before Cloudflare is dethroned. See this recent thread for some perspective: h…

Sadness.

There is a solution for all this mess and I'm blocking HN and a few different domains until I implement at least the first step after which I can share it here.

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by driminicus »

southerntofu wrote: post #585
oefrha wrote: post #564

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Well, with SO, at least you can search on Google and view the version cached by Google just fine. With Reddit however, these days almost all comments are locked behind “view entire discussion” or “continue this thread”. In fact, just now I searched for something for which the most relevant discussion was on Reddit; Reddit was down so I opened the cached version, and was literally greeted by five “continue this thread…

Yeah it's crazy how bad user-hostile reddit.com has become. Fortunately old.reddit.com is still available, but for how long? If only Javascript did not exist, it would be impossible for UX people to come up with something that bad.

When it goes away you can try teddit.net

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by iso1210 »

utf_8x wrote: post #630
comboy wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to suggest site:old.reddit.com since I use that version with automatic redirect, but this: https://old.reddit.com/robots.txt is very different from this: https://reddit.com/robots.txt I guess there is a market for search engine (maybe accessed through tor) which does not care about robots.txt, DMCAs, right to be forgotten etc. Bootstrapping it should not be that hard since it can also provide better results…

Wonder what the story is behind these two... User-Agent: bender Disallow: /my_shiny_metal_ass User-Agent: Gort Disallow: /earth

Easter eggs

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by stevewodil »

tomrod wrote: post #587
oefrha wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, with SO, at least you can search on Google and view the version cached by Google just fine. With Reddit however, these days almost all comments are locked behind “view entire discussion” or “continue this thread”. In fact, just now I searched for something for which the most relevant discussion was on Reddit; Reddit was down so I opened the cached version, and was literally greeted by five “continue this thread…

Reddit's attempts at dark patterns are embarrassing from all perspectives. If you use dark patterns it's a laughably abysmal implementation. If you abhor dark patterns, it's a frustration.

It's just enough to annoy you but not enough to make everyone leave the platform

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by pluc »

utf_8x wrote: post #630
comboy wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to suggest site:old.reddit.com since I use that version with automatic redirect, but this: https://old.reddit.com/robots.txt is very different from this: https://reddit.com/robots.txt I guess there is a market for search engine (maybe accessed through tor) which does not care about robots.txt, DMCAs, right to be forgotten etc. Bootstrapping it should not be that hard since it can also provide better results…

Wonder what the story is behind these two... User-Agent: bender Disallow: /my_shiny_metal_ass User-Agent: Gort Disallow: /earth

It's neckbeard humor.

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by kayfox »

omk wrote: post #631
kayfox wrote: post #626

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Github's DNS likely will serve up a different IP for github when there is an outage. I can't talk about the details but GitHub and the rest of Microsoft use a global load balancing system that works through DNS.

Would be interesting to know what these fail over patterns are. As DNS takes a while to propagate, I thought DNS records already indicate fail over addresses.

I think only MX records indicate any priority for each additional record returned, for A records theres no indication of which records have priority over others and the usual behavior of authoritative DNS servers is to rotate the order in which records for the same thing are returned, so effectively returning more than one record for the same question results in a distribution of requests to the IPs returned rather than any sort of failover behavior.

In the case of the software Microsoft uses, it monitors endpoints for the websites in question and then changes which IP(s) are returned based on the availability of those endpoints, the geographic region and other factors.

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by iso1210 »

linuxfan2021 wrote: post #622
lpmitchell wrote: post #9

This seems to be impacting a number of huge sites, including the UK government website[0]. [0] https://www.gov.uk/ https://m.media-amazon.com/ https://pages.github.com/ https://www.paypal.com/ https://stackoverflow.com/ https://nytimes.com/ Edit: Fastly's incident report status page: https://status.fastly.com/incidents/vpk0ssybt3bj

You would think that the UK GOVERNMENT would have their own private CDN or something...

Why?

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by Zetaphor »

stevewodil wrote: post #635
tomrod wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit's attempts at dark patterns are embarrassing from all perspectives. If you use dark patterns it's a laughably abysmal implementation. If you abhor dark patterns, it's a frustration.

It's just enough to annoy you but not enough to make everyone leave the platform

Not _yet_, the same was said about Digg once.

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by dspillett »

threeseed wrote: post #142
dspillett wrote: post #112

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StackOverflow and all the StackExchange family of sites are down. I suspect the lost productivity from that will be more costly over the whole economy than potential lost sales via Shopify. People can go back to shopify so those transactions not definitely blocked for ever, any time "lost" due to reference resources being unavailable can't so easily be claimed back.

I don't think you understand how ecommerce works. A very significant amount of people won't go back. It's why the most effective marketing campaign by far is retargeting those people to convince them to come back. Unfortunately that's not possible in this case since you can't track the users as the site is unusable.

> I don't think you understand how ecommerce works ... people won't go back

I was talking about the economy in general, not specific e-commerce sites. People that actually need what they were looking for but don't go back will buy it elsewhere. The money still flows, just somewhere else. And if they don't need the item(s), they'll perhaps use the money for something more useful.

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