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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by koolba » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:06 AM UTC

Cookingboy wrote: post #627

Good. If corporations are people then they absolutely should have the right to exercise whatever free speech they want to. Nobody is preventing those deplorables to say whatever the hell they want, but also nobody is obliged to provide services and platform to those people to spread those toxic messages. According to /r/conservative the entire tech industry is ran by leftists, and leftists are stupid, unemployed lose…

Saying “good” here is like saying it was good for a baker to refuse making a custom cake for a gay wedding. Just because they have the right to do it does not mean it’s a good thing.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:07 AM UTC

oliv__ wrote: post #628

I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

Free speech versus freedom of assembly. This is their collision. We resolve this by creating protected classes, a concept much of the Parler user base opposes on the grounds of religious freedom. Forcing people and groups of people to associate with those they abhor is also tyrannically tainted.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by mullingitover » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:07 AM UTC

This of course brings up the highly controversial issue of whether you should optimize your architecture for multicloud or go all-in on one provider.

Edit: I would recommend Corey Quinn's thread for more background, but tl;dr it's hard to get kicked off AWS and it's not happening due to political slant

https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1348130385411018752

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by xapata » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:08 AM UTC

oliv__ wrote: post #628

I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

It's private action, not government action. That's a big difference.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by dragontamer » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:08 AM UTC

oliv__ wrote: post #628

I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

> I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship?

The events of Wednesday of last week changed my mind.

> "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wans't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to stop them from getting me"

First Wikipedia banned Church of Scientology, and no one really cared.

Then 4chan booted Gamergate, and no one really cared.

Then Cloudflare booted Daily Stormer, and no one really cared.

Then AWS / Apple / Google booted Parlor. And you know? Its not really nearly as bad as you think. We have real life examples. You don't have to talk about hypotheticals, choose a real life example.

Like, do you really think Parlor deserves a platform if the community is continuing to plot assassination attempts vs Mike Pence and attacks on the Inauguration over the next two weeks?

Instead of arguing in the abstract, how about you argue with what's going on this week.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by donaldtheduck » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:08 AM UTC

Cookingboy wrote: post #627

Good. If corporations are people then they absolutely should have the right to exercise whatever free speech they want to. Nobody is preventing those deplorables to say whatever the hell they want, but also nobody is obliged to provide services and platform to those people to spread those toxic messages. According to /r/conservative the entire tech industry is ran by leftists, and leftists are stupid, unemployed lose…

'Deplorables'? And you're calling them toxic? :'D

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by courtf » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:08 AM UTC

"The great bifurcation is upon us!"

0.01% of traffic will change destination. This whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. It's amazing how quickly the HN goblins start howling at the moon when their favorite fascism and child porn site gets shuffled offstage. Y'all really thought Parler would last huh? Back to 4chan I guess.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by tshaddox » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:10 AM UTC

oliv__ wrote: post #628

I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

Kinda weird to repurpose that example when here it’s literally “first they came for the Nazis.”

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by bootlooped » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:11 AM UTC

chasd00 wrote: post #258

you're going to see companies go back to bare metal and fiber where they peer their network with the internet and existence isn't determined by the outrage of the day and the whims of a platform provider.

I don't think this worries 99% of AWS customers in the least. We rely on AWS at work; there isn't going to be a meeting Monday about potentially moving off AWS.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by yantrams » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:11 AM UTC

oliv__ wrote: post #628

I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.