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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Because Trump was all about "business", America's prosperity. Biden is all about things I personally don't care about, like anti-COVID measures, or fighting global warming, which will very likely destroy US economically. Emigrating to a country that's on a brink of the worst crisis in its history is indeed pointless.

Why do you not care about anti-COVID measures or fighting global warming? Those are serious issues that need to be addressed, no?

The worst consequence of COVID will be thousands of people dying from other disease, because healthcare system focused on COVID neglected them, and the economic depression caused by lockdowns.

The worst consequence of global warming will be economic depression caused by pushing expensive and ineffective, but low-carbon technologies on us.

In both cases we would be better off doing nothing.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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>Net migration to the US from the richer EU countries is about 0, i.e. about the same number of US citizens are moving into the EU as are moving from those EU countries into the US. Not true. 10-17% of Canadian, British, Australian, and Swiss scientists move to the US. ( https://np.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/37lgxg/the_... ) These are percentages of all researchers, whether they emigrate anywhere or not. (…

Example for Germany: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2020/10... (German language) See the line chart at about the middle of the page, with three lines in black, blue and red. The chart shows net migration Germany USA. The red line shows German citizens only, black shows people formerly living in Germany, but without German citizen status. In 1998 there was peak in emigration to the US, but from t…

>See the line chart at about the middle of the page, with three lines in black, blue and red. The chart shows net migration Germany USA. The red line shows German citizens only, black shows people formerly living in Germany, but without German citizen status. In 1998 there was peak in emigration to the US, but from then on the trend moves towards net immigration from the US.

Thank you for pointing me to the document. The entire press release is a marvel of sophistry. From its first sentence ("Das Ergebnis der 59. Präsidentschaftswahl der Vereinigten Staaten am 3. November wird mit Spannung erwartet") to the later claim that "Seit 2017 ziehen mehr Personen von den USA nach Deutschland als umgekehrt", is the federal statistics office's communications office trying its best to claim that "Orange Man Bad so fewer Germans are moving to the US" without actually using Trump's name or, more importantly, with data actually supporting the claim. Most people are going to only read the headline and perhaps the first paragraph, and not see that the US hasn't been the most popular destination for German emigrants since 2004, so the recent trend is not a result of the Trump presidency. The US is still the third most popular destination as of 2019, only behind two German-speaking countries; it is ahead of every other country, including the UK and other countries that Germans can move to easily because of the EU and Schengen. Rather than Trump, it looks like the trend is a return to the pre-1990 norm. (More on this later.)

Regarding the chart you mentioned, the black line is presumably mostly Yugoslavian War refugees who used Germany as a stopover to get to the US (thus the late 1990s peak) and would not be applicable in showing native Germans' intent regarding moving to the US.

The red line does not show a recent trend toward "net migration from the US" (impling more Americans moving to Germany than German citizens moving to the US) but that, as the text says, recent population flows between Germany (German citizens) and the US have been almost even in gross terms. This is a reversion to the pre-1991 norm, as opposed to something unprecedented. Further, given that the US has about four times as many people as Germany, this implies that a random German citizen today is about four times more likely to move to the US than an American is to move to Germany.

Of course, these flows are not necessarily permanent; most are likely students, or workers on temporary assignments. Obtaining ciitzenship is a more meaningful indicator of interest. In 2019 4,745 German-born people obtained US citizenship while 1,205 Americans obtained German citizenship. This implies that a random German citizen today is 16 times more likely to obtain US citizenship than an American is to obtain German citizenship.

Further, 75% of those Americans obtaining German citizenship in 2019 do not live in Germany but are taking advantage of the right of return (encouraged, from 2006, by the German Citizenship Project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Citizenship_Project)), while the US does not have a similar law. Only about 300 of Americans obtaining German citizenship actually lived in Germany. This implies that a random German citizen today is 48 times more likely to obtain US citizenship and to move to the US, than an American is to obtain German citizenship.

>I'd love to look at your data, but that migration DRC link points to an apparently empty wordpress instance.

Sorry; didn't realize that the domain had expired. The version 4 I mentioned of the dataset is now at http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Units/SCMR/drc/research/typesofmigra....

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Why do you not care about anti-COVID measures or fighting global warming? Those are serious issues that need to be addressed, no?

The worst consequence of COVID will be thousands of people dying from other disease, because healthcare system focused on COVID neglected them, and the economic depression caused by lockdowns. The worst consequence of global warming will be economic depression caused by pushing expensive and ineffective, but low-carbon technologies on us. In both cases we would be better off doing nothing.

>The worst consequence of COVID will be thousands of people dying from other disease, because healthcare system focused on COVID neglected them, and the economic depression caused by lockdowns.

The reason we went into lockdown and went under all these draconian restriction measures wasn't because the virus was considered deadly. It's not that deadly for the majority of the population actually, especially for younger people. No, the reason we went into lockdown was to avoid the hospitals overflowing with patients. If you let the virus spread around like wildfire through the population with its spread rate of 2 to 3, then you would very quickly make a lot of people very sick and need hospitalisation. This isn't to say that the majority of people would get very sick. You only need a small minority of the vulnerable population to get very sick suddenly all at once in order to shock the hospital system.

So, if indeed we care about treating people with other diseases as you say, our priority should be on making sure we have as many beds and doctors available in hospitals. And the only way to achieve that is with coronavirus restrictive measures. It's much easier to get doctors and hospitals to treat other. "doing nothing" as you suggest would be counter-productive to what you are trying to achieve. patients if they don't have to constantly worry about their COVID-19 patients. If the hospitals were full and you e.g. broke your leg while on your motorbike, would you like to be told at A&E that "sorry we're full, we have all these COVID-19 patients that are dying"? I wouldn't.

>The worst consequence of global warming will be economic depression caused by pushing expensive and ineffective, but low-carbon technologies on us.

You only need to take a simple cursory glance that the IPCC report to realise that it's not that simple. Hell, ask the CIA! They consider global warming a serious threat to national security. If the CIA considers it a threat, shouldn't we worry?

Relevant videos that show how climate change is already having detrimental effects on our daily lives:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0x46-enxsA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo61TiAGwhk

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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I know. My mother was an immigrant to the US. I've also seen family members go broke and commit suicide after being unable to afford medical care that would otherwise would have been provided to them in more humane countries. Apologies if this colors my view of America's "humanity."

It's always about health insurance. It's the one defining characteristic of nations. The narrow mindedness is incredible.

It's not narrow mindedness. The healthcare system in the US can destroy you financially in a couple of years (or even months!), even if you do all the right things and work a job with a good salary, save, etc. All for what? For being unlucky and contracting cancer? For having a chronic disease that needs daily medication? Is that what sick people deserve, to have all their finances wiped away?

This here is a very famous comment on Reddit that perfectly encapsulates what's wrong with the healthcare system in America: https://old.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/hj6t3t/not...

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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> differing bureaucracy and language being two of the most significant It has never been cheaper and easier to operate in several languages. Seriously, translation and internationalization is as cheap as it can get (and most folks in Europe are at least bilinguals!). What they need to focus on is a unified marketplace and harmonized regulation. Now each tiny country has it's special snowflakes regulations (how to acc…

I get the feeling you're European. Language is a massive barrier and simply hand-waving that away by claiming that internationalisation is cheap is silly. Language drives a whole host of things and operating in several languages is far from easy. You are also being very generous with claiming that most folks in Europe are bilingual. They may have basic knowledge of multiple languages but can likely function fully in…

It's actually quite common for Swedes to travel abroad in the EU to study medicine since the entry-requirements to our national medicine programs require very high scores on the high school degrees or aptitude tests (University while free only has limited number of spots assigned out to the best students. If memory serves me right even with a max score on the aptitude test, reserved to some 0.3-0.5% of the test-takers, you will still be put in a lottery pool for the best medschools).

Law degrees might be harder to transfer generally though (easy to transfer in the Nordics at least iirc) but even in the US you need to take the bar in different states, so maybe that part isn't too different anyhow?

Actually, Might become easier in the EU in the future now that post-brexit there isn't any common law countries within the union and with mostly civil law systems it should be easier to unify principles in some sections of the law.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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How near is your near future? Isn't China planning to achieve major progress until 2025? They aren't bound by patents in the same way as western companies. Why should they not be able to reproduce the knowledge? For nuclear energy, solar cells, moon rockets and high speed trains, they have already been successful.

China is weak in semiconductor industry and they simply do not have the capability to overcome the obstacle in 5 to 10 years or maybe never. Let me give two examples of obstacle. US has monopoly in the software tools that engineer use to design IC. Japan has the chemical that semiconductor fab foundry need to make IC. US now has slapped sanction on China's top fab foundry SMIC with intention to kill China's semicondu…

WW2 resulted in diverting a substantial amount of resources to R&D and hence the explosion in innovation & science everything from Radar, automobiles, computing, nuclear energy, not to mention jet engine and computing.

Today China is on a one sided war of technology dominance while the rest of us are sleeping or bickering over patents & tech protectionism, anti competitiveness and blocking acquisition.

China has the scale, money, leadership and capability to pool resources on a literal war footing to develop what it can not buy. Let us not fool ourselves.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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post #631

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Why do you not care about anti-COVID measures or fighting global warming? Those are serious issues that need to be addressed, no?

The worst consequence of COVID will be thousands of people dying from other disease, because healthcare system focused on COVID neglected them, and the economic depression caused by lockdowns. The worst consequence of global warming will be economic depression caused by pushing expensive and ineffective, but low-carbon technologies on us. In both cases we would be better off doing nothing.

You must be polish.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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post #602

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> The younger Europeans I met were all very eager to learn English... English IS the lingua franca in Europe, right now, at this moment, no question about it. Even the in remotest parts Generation Z and younger speak and understand a little bit, it is only the older folks who still remember the EU with borders are reluctant to speack anything else other than their own language. And there are more and more people pick…

To be fair, much of the gap with accents, is to do with exposure, in reality the majority of your media consumption in English is American English not West Midlands English. Unfortunately the majority of native English speakers (not just from the UK) fail to realise that there is an 'international' business English which has significant differences from how they would speak 'back home'. From the faux pas I've seen in…

The bigger problem I have is building rapport.

I work with a lot of near-native speakers, where we can understand each other, but we never get to that lively back-and-forth that comes in an L1 (or a fully fluent L2).

It's not a question of relationships -- you can do that well with VERY little verbal. It's a question of nuanced, technical, back-and-forth. I can understand on a mile-high level that they used Python to build an ML system which can recognize whether something is or is not a hotdog, but we never get to the point of discussing finer points of algorithms, nuances of business models, or similar in-depth discussions.

Some of these folks have lived in an English-native country for years, but it's just not quite there yet.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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So, as someone who used to be an engineer in semiconductor manufacturing facilities, this reminds me a lot of Sematech. That was a joint venture between American companies in the 90's, when there was a concern that we were falling behind Japan. I'm sure there will be people who try to claim otherwise, but my view from inside AMD (at that time still doing its own manufacturing) was that nothing much ever came out of S…

Europe has some successful international projects like CERN or Airbus. Besides, what are the other options? Europe is in this strange place where collectively account for enormous wealth and power but individually no country is a match to the big boys like USA/China when simultaneously are super unoptimised due to cultural/lingual differences. The younger Europeans I met were all very eager to learn English, so who k…

> Besides, what are the other options?

1. competitive capitalism: see US

2. competitive state-orchestrated capitalism: see China, Taiwan, Korea, Singapore

Although the Chinese model doesn't seem to be too successful with regards to chip fabbing, their efforts are behind schedule.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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So, what would a new bleeding edge modern architecture and instruction set look like if one could start from scratch? I assume general computing so cell phones and servers are the target.

I personally would love to see a frontend architecture that more closely resembles the backend: dataflow execution. It's been researched in the 80s/90s, with some hybrids popping up in literature from time to time (TRIPS, ADAM, etc) Counterpoint: processors have gotten so good at extracting ILP from a sequential ISA that I wonder how much benefit you would gain from a dataflow ISA. The downside is that it would requi…

This is interesting.

The new architectures could also support new programming languages where single instruction multiple data and parallelism would be easier.

Get rid of all the sequential part.

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