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‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by 2-tpg »

i-write-comment wrote: post #602
CryptoPunk wrote: post #532

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>>Anything to avoid admitting that a cop killed a black man Way to stoke a flame war.. At the risk of exacerbating it: anything to bring up Floyd being black, while identical deaths involving people of other racial backgrounds, like in the case of Floyd, Tony Timpa, are never attributed to racism. Also, way to implicitly accuse him of being a racist for not agreeing with you on the motives and culpability of the poli…

Would you agree or disagree with the statement that "systemic racism against Black Americans exists and is a major problem in American society"?

Would you agree or disagree with the statement that "accusing cops of intentional cold-blooded racist-motivated murder on the basis of his and his victim's skin color, without presumption of innocence, sourced from emotion, and with mob justice, is a major problem in American society"?

See how you can disagree or agree with my question, while your goal-post moving question can only be agreed to if you are a reasonable person? Just because racist-motivated murderers exist and are problematic, does not mean Floyd was murdered with racist motives.

You demand I defend the cop's actions, just for my interpretation of the case does not align with your interpretation. You call me a racist and a liar. You can't even direct quote me, so you put words in my mouth, and then call me disingenuous (I never said "died from an OD"). You are debating from very bad faith, and debating poorly at that. And I don't think you even realize that, nor the damage it does to the debate, working together to a solution, division, and growth of the "silent majority", who is starting to get fed up with this childish I-never-fell-off-a-skateboard Twitter-follower activism.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by i-write-comment »

2-tpg wrote: post #631
i-write-comment wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you agree or disagree with the statement that "systemic racism against Black Americans exists and is a major problem in American society"?

Would you agree or disagree with the statement that "accusing cops of intentional cold-blooded racist-motivated murder on the basis of his and his victim's skin color, without presumption of innocence, sourced from emotion, and with mob justice, is a major problem in American society"? See how you can disagree or agree with my question, while your goal-post moving question can only be agreed to if you are a reasonabl…

> You are debating from very bad faith, and debating poorly at that

You're clearly not trying to "debate" out of a neutral position. You are tossing out a mix of unrelated facts and lies in an attempt to prove that George Floyd's murder was not racially motivated, or that he was actually dying from a fentanyl OD so the cop's behavior would have been fine for a healthy person, or not even to prove anything but to paint him as a career criminal who deserved what he got to bias people against him.

Short of a written declaration from Derek Chauvin, stating that "I killed George Floyd because he was black and I was having a bad day", there is nothing that will make you admit this murder was racially motivated, and I think it's pretty obvious to most readers of this thread why that is.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by sumedh »

throwawayriver wrote: post #609
sumedh wrote: post #554

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No you dont get it, its not a projection. Some people dont want to deal with police complaint. If you dont understand that you will never get it.

>No you dont get it, its not a projection. It's IMAX-level projection. >Some people dont want to deal with police complaint. And if they don't want to, it's not the companies place to babysit and play judge and jury. >If you dont understand that you will never get it. If you don't understand that it's not the company's place to play the judicial branch (and may be illegal for them to), then you'll never get it. It is…

> it's not the companies place to babysit and play judge and jury.

yes it, why do you support people who abuse, why should they still be kept in the company if the evidence is credible?

So does it mean now you understood why some people dont want file a police complaint?

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by throwawayriver »

sumedh wrote: post #633
throwawayriver wrote: post #609

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>No you dont get it, its not a projection. It's IMAX-level projection. >Some people dont want to deal with police complaint. And if they don't want to, it's not the companies place to babysit and play judge and jury. >If you dont understand that you will never get it. If you don't understand that it's not the company's place to play the judicial branch (and may be illegal for them to), then you'll never get it. It is…

> it's not the companies place to babysit and play judge and jury. yes it, why do you support people who abuse, why should they still be kept in the company if the evidence is credible? So does it mean now you understood why some people dont want file a police complaint?

>yes it, why do you support people who abuse

I don't, and neither should the company, which is why they should call the police.

>why should they still be kept in the company if the evidence is credible?

Company is free to fire criminals if they want, no issues there. Many don't hire criminals to begin with, since your criminal history is public.

>So does it mean now you understood why some people dont want file a police complaint?

This is non-sense. If you're the victim of a crime, report the crime to the police.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

sthnblllII wrote: post #580
MetalGuru wrote: post #483

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It’s an unfortunate consequence of diversity-driven hiring practices. Another is that applicants who would’ve gotten hired on their own merit are prejudged as diversity hires.

The much more important problem is all the people who are legitimately better qualified who are turned down because of their race.

This doesn’t actually happen in tech. Nobody can hire enough people, and everyone wants minorities.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by unityByFreedom »

koonsolo wrote: post #558
unityByFreedom wrote: post #552

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Sure you can find racists anywhere. It's more about their home environment than it is about anything external. But if your parents tell you white people are bad and you meet one who's nice you might start to question that upbringing.

You clearly didn't hear what I said. For example, there is a reason why gay people don't like to walk around in muslim environments, and it has nothing to do with how their parents raised them. So like I said, your theory is that when you are exposed to diversity, you have less racism. But the numbers (such as political preference) show completely the opposite.

I did carefully read what you said. I'm sorry you do not feel understood. Have a good one mate.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by CryptoPunk »

eli wrote: post #568
CryptoPunk wrote: post #458

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Tech is incredibly diverse.. The racial representation in tech is roughly proportional to the racial representation in Computer Science. i.e. it's not racism that is keeping black Americans out of tech, and suggesting otherwise with zero evidence beyond the observed racial disparity is extremely irresponsible.

It’s not. It isn’t. And why do you think the racial diversity in Comp Sci doesn’t match that of America? Or even that of the general college population?

It is. A huge number of visible minorities are in tech.

>And why do you think the racial diversity in Comp Sci doesn’t match that of America?

That's a different subject, and nothing to do with whether tech is racist.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by CryptoPunk »

i-write-comment wrote: post #602
CryptoPunk wrote: post #532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Anything to avoid admitting that a cop killed a black man Way to stoke a flame war.. At the risk of exacerbating it: anything to bring up Floyd being black, while identical deaths involving people of other racial backgrounds, like in the case of Floyd, Tony Timpa, are never attributed to racism. Also, way to implicitly accuse him of being a racist for not agreeing with you on the motives and culpability of the poli…

Would you agree or disagree with the statement that "systemic racism against Black Americans exists and is a major problem in American society"?

I absolutely would not agree. There is substantial systemic racism in favor of black Americans.

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by CryptoPunk »

wpietri wrote: post #582
CryptoPunk wrote: post #531

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Vacuous character assassination.

You claim that there's "absolutely no evidence" that racism is endemic, which is an absurd claim to make. There's enormous amounts of it. Hundreds of studies. Hundreds of books. And the daily lived experience of million of people, who you need only listen to on the Internet. But if you want a very simple, obvious one, take NBER paper 9873: https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873 One could plausibly debate the level of it.…

Hiring preferences based on the cultural or racial association of names is not an indication of "systemic racism against black Americans" or endemic racism.

Systemic or endemic implies the racism is part of the systemic structure, i.e. the laws of the country, or its social contract. This study would at most imply high incidence of unconscious racial biases among the population.

It could also be explained by employer preference for people who are more integrated in the cultural mainstream, which people with "black" names, or Chinese names, are less likely to be.

>But to sweepingly declare there's absolutely no evidence isn't so much a claim of fact as a declaration of willful ignorance

To claim that there racism against black Americans is endemic, with the strongest evidence you were able to find being the incidence of bias with respect to job applicant names, shows a basic lack of regard for the truth.

Literally, your logic could be used to argue that "racism against white Americans is endemic" because there are studies like this one that shows police are 25 times more likely to shoot an unarmed white male than an unarmed black male:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=2674...

Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase

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Post by vmception »

acdha wrote: post #565
vmception wrote: post #59

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"Proving innocence" is as tone deaf as their autistic CEO (who in the article is quoted himself as saying his behavior is because he's on the spectrum.) Brian Armstrong shut himself in because he doesn't want to deal with it. He doesn't know how to deal with it. All of Coinbase's actions are guided by the consequences, for example, they never needed to address their flash crash because they just needed to placate cus…

The people I know who are or have children on the spectrum would take issue with your opening sentence. Armstrong might find that a convenient excuse but it shouldn’t erase all of the effort most people put into being considerate.

It was only about the excuse the CEO made, not about anyone else.

Direct all of that energy at him for the representation he is making about people on the spectrum.

If he wants to lean on that as a crutch on all of his organizational decision making skills, then we absolutely get to call him out on that all the time until he does something different.

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