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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by kortilla »

reaperducer wrote: post #546
kortilla wrote: post #431

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If you think Texans pretend Austin doesn’t exist, I doubt you’ve ever been to Texas. It’s very frequently lovingly referred to as a liberal armpit, shithole, etc. Austins problems (super high housing costs, homelessness) are often trotted out as an example of Democratic policies being the source of California’s problems.

If you think Texans pretend Austin doesn’t exist, I doubt you’ve ever been to Texas. I said no such thing. I said people who like to stereotype Texas as Republican like to pretend Austin doesn't exist. As for visiting Texas, I lived there for many years.

And California has some Republican districts. That doesn’t mean the people stereotyping California for being liberal are pretending they don’t exist.

Stereotypes are broad generalizations that are lucky if they are even accurate about the majority, let alone all of something.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by JamesBarney »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #571
jorblumesea wrote: post #391

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But that's not what the data shows. People from blue states are moving to blue cities in red states. Left leaning people are moving to similarly left leaning areas. Austin, Dallas, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, when was the last time these were Republican bastions? Look at the areas experiencing huge population growth. Texas might be red but the populations centers haven't been for years.

This is a good point, but it would be intellectually disingenuous not to acknowledge that they've been drawn by the policy of the red states, specifically by housing policy that's made housing costs more reasonable than the blue states. Not that I'm a big fan of sprawl, but it's undeniable that blue state housing policy that strictly limits both sprawl AND density has been an utter disaster for cost of living anywher…

It was my understanding that most restrictive housing policy is implemented at a city and not state level.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by JamesBarney »

wahern wrote: post #535
ericfrenkiel wrote: post #389

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Yeah, no. Reality doesn’t bear out with your theory.

Jerry Brown was a conservative by any historical understanding of the term, and he won in a landslide. Gavin Newsom is also relatively moderate. For example, he's made it clear that it's simply not economically feasible to throw money at homeless housing (because he literally tried that in SF as mayor). And hit the pause button on high-speed rail (which is basically a death sentence). Newsom rose up through the San F…

I don't know about Dallas, but Houston and Austin are solidly liberal, and I don't think term limits would change that. Most people would still vote the same way for mayor and city and councilman.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by JamesBarney »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #193
rayiner wrote: post #122

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But on the upside, in Texas you might be able to live in a community with real, integrated diversity.

As far as I could tell, everyone in Dallas/Austin/Houston/San Antonio lives in gated communities with almost nothing in walking distance and very, very few people walking around.

I live in Houston and I'll agree it's not a great place to walk except for a few expensive neighborhoods but I've never notice any gated communities.

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Post by dmode »

roenxi wrote: post #476
mint2 wrote: post #449

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You seem to have a lot of judging and questionable assumptions in your post.

There is a very pronounced trend of people migrating away from states that are controlled by Democrats for reasons that are potentially ideologically driven policy failures. This raises a a very real and material question for the new host community - do the migrants understand why the situation became so intolerable that they felt they should move? Migrants bring new ideas so a certain amount of discomfort and change…

There is no pronounced trend. In fact, this very article says so. The trend is for people to move from conservative rural areas to liberal urban areas. In fact, a deeper look at the data will actually prove the opposite. That Democratic controlled locations are thriving and people are moving to it. For example, within New York, NYC population is actually growing.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by dmode »

nradov wrote: post #497
bsder wrote: post #432

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> California has only gotten more “progressive” with each election. That is different from "damping the extremes". Why is it so difficult for those on the "conservative" side to believe that the election outcomes reflect the will of the populace when they actively reject "conservatism"? > I hope you understand that it’s “progressive” policy which has caused crime to explode This is a dog whistle way of saying "homele…

Texas is actually the top state destination for people leaving California. I don't know whether we have any data about their political views. https://www.sfgate.com/expensive-san-francisco/article/move-...

Do you know California is also the top state destination for people leaving Texas ? You know why ? It is because these are two largest states and they exchange population. The per year net migration to Texas is less than 0.1% of CA population.

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Post by dmode »

MattyRad wrote: post #318
smsm42 wrote: post #178

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> Petty crime is increasing, and state laws are only enabling this - people are sick of it. I wonder if people considered voting the politicians who made these laws out. Judging from CA voting patterns, probably not. And then when it gets really bad, they move to another state and likely vote for the same policies that caused them to move in the first place.

Reno resident here. Policy change is something I tend to worry about given there's been a huge influx of Californian "refugees" over past the several years. If California continues its trajectory with housing costs and homelessness, it could definitely "bleed over." Homelessness isn't as big of an issue here than it is in California (I expect in part because of the colder weather), but housing costs have definitely b…

There no California "refugees", because most people in California is also from another state

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Post by JamesBarney »

dragonwriter wrote: post #372
rayiner wrote: post #76

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> tax advantages of moving states is just too trivial It’s not. For a family with $85,000 a year, getting rid of state tax could mean an extra several hundred dollars a month in income.

> For a family with $85,000 a year, getting rid of state tax could mean an extra several hundred dollars a month in income. It could, if you could take the $85,000/year job with you. Pay for similar skills in the lower CoL states is also notably lower, though.

Which is accounted for by the lower CoL. I've had a couple of recruiters call me about jobs in San Francisco so I checked the CoL, and the CoL difference between San Fran and Houston is over a 100%. And companies weren't willing to pay double the rates they are here.

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Post by newguy1234 »

toephu2 wrote: post #484
GhettoChild wrote: post #184

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I was one of those who moved from the SFBay to Texas. Knowing that for what i'd need to save up for a down payment for a home in the bay is enough to buy a house in Texas cash was an extremely strong motivating factor.

Of course Texas has its downsides too.. the weather, the traffic (depends what city), less tech jobs to name a few?

Being able to buy a house is a pretty important factor as well.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by dmode »

agensaequivocum wrote: post #550

Having left Orange County California for Phoenix Arizona in early 2019, I definitely plan on staying. We can easily afford a house, the community here is unbelievably better (many young large families, an amazing Diocese), lower income and property taxes, cheaper gas, constitutional carry. Sure it may get a little hot in the summer but you can easily drive up to Flagstaff to escape the heat, and, in the winter, go sk…

Having lived in Arizona for 3 years, IMO, it is one of the worst places to live in the US
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