Tesla Software Version 10.0 • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by clouddrover » Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 4:16 AM UTC

xedeon wrote: post #630

clouddrover wrote: post #629

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> The thing is, the Tesla charging standard predates CCS. Yes. Tesla tried to set a standard and they failed. The industry did not adopt it. It's time to move on to CCS. > Tesla has already deployed and invested on many supercharger stations. That's not an issue. Tesla doesn't need to start from zero. They can retrofit the chargers for CCS without too much trouble.

> That's not an issue. Care to elaborate? > They can retrofit the chargers for CCS without too much trouble. Do you have experience running a business? That's easy for someone watching from the sidelines to say. But the reality is that something like this have financial and logistical hurdles. As of Sept this year, there are currently 14,081 individual Supercharger stalls at 1,604 locations worldwide. Retrofitting al…

> Retrofitting all of those is hardly "without too much trouble". That's a fact.

No, the fact is they've already done exactly that in Europe: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-supercharger-dual-charge-ccs...

But Tesla is still not allowing other EVs to charge at their chargers.

Tesla only needs to do three things to move to CCS properly: 1. Put a CCS plug on the charger. 2. Implement the CCS protocol. 3. Allow all EVs to charge at the charger.

Easy peasy and civic-minded. There are no downsides here.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by Fins » Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 3:28 PM UTC

xedeon wrote: post #627

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Yes, please, go on. I am sure you realize that when talking of insane, or otherwise, interest in Tesla, showing numbers for Tesla alone is absolutely useless. According to [0] Tesla doesn't even make it to the top of the second page, and quite a few companies well ahead of it are real large businesses and household names. Repeating the few tired talking points ("it's the shorts!", "you just didn't drive one", "peckin…

> showing numbers for Tesla alone is absolutely useless. If you don't know how to read financial data, then probably. The site you linked contradicts what you've been whining about... According to it, the current short interest is currently at 29%.. By definition anything above 20% is considered to be extremely high. Looking at your post history, it's also very clear that you have great disdain not only for Tesla but…

Yes, I do have great disdain for Elon, he's an absolutely terrible human being. Thanks for digging it up.

You may define "extremely high" at any level you want, but you don't get to claim that Tesla is shorted to any kind of unusual, extreme, never seen before level. None of those companies gets to claim that "it's all shorts' fault" either.

You driving a Tesla probably affects me positively (well, apart from the taxpayer fleecing angle anyway), but the complete lack of intellectual honesty on the part of Tesla supporters is... not even annoying, it's rather amusing. Where else do you get to see people seriously claiming that it is more convenient and safer to hunt and peck several buttons on a touch screen that pressing one on a door? Only in Tesla world!

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by Gaelan » Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 3:55 PM UTC

shawnz wrote: post #64

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Lots of cars display their own UI chrome around CarPlay.

Presumably the Tesla software contains a lot more custom built functionality than just a customized UI

I think CarPlay runs basically entirely on the phone and the car manufacturers just add a feature to their existing software to show the pixels coming from the phone.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon » Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

Fins wrote: post #632

xedeon wrote: post #627

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> showing numbers for Tesla alone is absolutely useless. If you don't know how to read financial data, then probably. The site you linked contradicts what you've been whining about... According to it, the current short interest is currently at 29%.. By definition anything above 20% is considered to be extremely high. Looking at your post history, it's also very clear that you have great disdain not only for Tesla but…

Yes, I do have great disdain for Elon, he's an absolutely terrible human being. Thanks for digging it up. You may define "extremely high" at any level you want, but you don't get to claim that Tesla is shorted to any kind of unusual, extreme, never seen before level. None of those companies gets to claim that "it's all shorts' fault" either. You driving a Tesla probably affects me positively (well, apart from the tax…

> Yes, I do have great disdain for Elon, he's an absolutely terrible human being. Thanks for digging it up.

Ohh.. Interesting. So not only is that you have severe anger issues, but you're also holier than thou. Geez guy, get a grip. What have you done for humanity? Look at a mirror and yourself that question.

But you know...I truly feel sorry for you. I hope you find peace, whatever pain you're suffering inside.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by crististm » Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

dewski wrote: post #610

crististm wrote: post #608

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We're criticizing bad UI design and the attitude that digital touch interface is automatically without fault and order of magnitudes superior to whatever was established in the last hundred years. You can make bad UI with or without buttons. Remember VCR clock controls?

I don't know if anyone has said digital touch is superior, I don't think it is. It's just a different way of solving the same problem. Can it be updated in the future unlike analog? Yep. Can you feel it with your hands like you can with analog? Nope. I feel like I see more people saying first that digital is terrible and it should be analog, that they'll never get a car that has digital. The reasons they list are sti…

It doesn't matter if they "say" it. They act like they do and it speaks just as much.

Everywhere I look (modulo self bias) I find people that are in awe of the digital touch interface. In contrast I don't find people in awe of analog buttons. They just use them and complain when they don't work for whatever reason. Digital interface touch "buttons" don't work on cars. We complain. It's simple.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by rkagerer » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 11:58 PM UTC

radium3d wrote: post #591

rkagerer wrote: post #425

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How often do you find yourself wanting to tweak the rate?

Rate is set automatically based on the amount of rain. The wiper clears the windshield for the cameras for autopilot so it keeps the view clear. I haven't had the urge to adjust the rate yet.

My car has that, but I tend to manually adjust it regardless as I find it's often a bit to slow or a tad too fast. Maybe I'm just picky. Or maybe your car's algorithm is better :-).

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by RealWorldPolice » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 3:29 AM UTC

xedeon wrote: post #431

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I don't believe you. I own an AP1 Tesla as well as a nominally "FSD computer equipped" AP2 Tesla. You would be injured or killed if you tried taking an unmonitored trip of any reasonable length - ON THE HIGHWAY - in either, with autopilot on and with the nag disabled using a weight. If you think you don't have to routinely make manual corrections to save yourself from dying I think you are either lying or delusional.

You're stretching quite a bit here...None of the things you said were implied by the previous poster. > If you think you don't have to routinely make manual corrections to save yourself from dying I think you are either lying or delusional. What makes you think owners are not aware of this? Try asking that question on the /r/rteslamotors subreddit and you'll see that owners will quickly educate you and tell you to ke…

Stretching what, exactly?

They said their car drives itself every day. "Drives itself" means that the car does all of the work of driving without requiring human intervention or involvement. And that technology, of course, does not exist in any car at the moment.

What else could "drives itself" possibly mean?